BioDiesel Titration Instructions for Newbies
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My oil comes from a source that is not affected by demand and its conola oil. The facility manager is my brother. Tritration did occur but I dont do it anymore.
Why cant the methaloxide catalyst be overkill?
To answer you question, My uncle is an oil and chemical engeneer. I just send him samples. I also have a friend that has all his own equipment from a university that I can send and get a second opinion. ASTM standard for diesel are the basic lubricity, cetane index and detergents...a few more. As you know bio is already super slick and has up to 4 cetane points higher then dino. Im looking for suspended particles, methanol and any other impurities. Basically, the product turns into a non toxic clear laxative for taste testing. Joke
Why cant the methaloxide catalyst be overkill?
To answer you question, My uncle is an oil and chemical engeneer. I just send him samples. I also have a friend that has all his own equipment from a university that I can send and get a second opinion. ASTM standard for diesel are the basic lubricity, cetane index and detergents...a few more. As you know bio is already super slick and has up to 4 cetane points higher then dino. Im looking for suspended particles, methanol and any other impurities. Basically, the product turns into a non toxic clear laxative for taste testing. Joke
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Originally Posted by kennedyford
My oil comes from a source that is not affected by demand and its conola oil. The facility manager is my brother. Tritration did occur but I dont do it anymore.
Why cant the methaloxide catalyst be overkill?
To answer you question, My uncle is an oil and chemical engeneer. I just send him samples. I also have a friend that has all his own equipment from a university that I can send and get a second opinion. ASTM standard for diesel are the basic lubricity, cetane index and detergents...a few more. As you know bio is already super slick and has up to 4 cetane points higher then dino. Im looking for suspended particles, methanol and any other impurities. Basically, the product turns into a non toxic clear laxative for taste testing. Joke
Why cant the methaloxide catalyst be overkill?
To answer you question, My uncle is an oil and chemical engeneer. I just send him samples. I also have a friend that has all his own equipment from a university that I can send and get a second opinion. ASTM standard for diesel are the basic lubricity, cetane index and detergents...a few more. As you know bio is already super slick and has up to 4 cetane points higher then dino. Im looking for suspended particles, methanol and any other impurities. Basically, the product turns into a non toxic clear laxative for taste testing. Joke
I don't understand the question about catalyst over kill..
Have you ever heard of a 3/27 test?
Put 27ml of methanol into a small glass jar so the depth of the liquid is equal to or greater than the width of the jar you are using.
Add 3ml of your finished biodiesel.
Screw cap on and shake the crap out of it. Let sit for 20 minutes and inspect.
If you see ANY dropplets at the bottom of the jar, your fuel is bad. Any dropplets at all..
Why does this work? Because methyl esters are completey dissolveable in methanol but glycerides are not.
If your biodiesel is not completely converted and you have any unconverted glycerides left, they will show up at the bottom of the solution as tiny dropplets.
There is more to this test, but that is the basics.
Clear methanol with no drop-out means very good fuel.
Cloudy methanol with no drop-out means semi-ok fuel
Any droppout means bad fuel.
The test works extremely good and the results have been compared with GC testing.
Testing for lubricity on biodiesel is a waste of time. It will always pass.
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Originally Posted by Murphy2000
I don't understand the question about catalyst over kill..
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Originally Posted by kennedyford
What I mean is if you titrate, and you make your mixture stronger then required, why cant that be an overall recipe? Your still seperating, settling and testing. Youll just have more methanol to recover depending on your amount used. Youll still have your soaps, glycerin and no water hopefully. This would mean that you overkilled at the beginning insead of having a partial reaction. Is this posssible if you think about it?
But its a lot like medicine.. More is not always better.. at some point, it can become counter productive. That's what a titration is for.. to tell you how much you need.
Adding to much catalyst or to much methanol does exactly what you started hinting at.. It increases costs, increases production time, increases materials usuage, waste products, etc etc.
WHAT'S WITH THE FLASHING ADVERTISEMENTS.. HAVING ADVERTISEMENTS EVERY PLACE YOU PUT YOUR MOUSE IS ONE THING BUT HAVING THEM FLASH AND ANNOY THE H3LL OUT OF YOU IS VERY DISTRACTING. I WOULDNT GIVE MY MONEY TO AN ADVERTISER SO PUSHY THEY WANT TO DISTRACT ME AT EVERY TURN.
DAMN THAT'S ANNOYING.
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Ads flashing are because your not a supporter. Its a Ford club, your just in 1 sections. I personally support this site because of the hopitality from members that gave me a house to work at a dinner when I broke down numerous times thousands of miles from home. Monsterbaby and IAbill who r also bio guys 2nd, ford first.
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What didnt go wrong at that time.
Wrecked a new trailer
Blew a new water pump
broke the radiator putting in the new water pump
blew a tire on that new trailer after fixing everything else
A two and a half day delivery turned into a week of hell.
Wrecked a new trailer
Blew a new water pump
broke the radiator putting in the new water pump
blew a tire on that new trailer after fixing everything else
A two and a half day delivery turned into a week of hell.
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I just want to give you 2 a big HUG. ;-)
I am currently trying to learn everything I can about this important alternative fuel. funny how it's alternative when Mr. Rudolph Diesel ran the first Compression Ignition engine on peanut oil. Thanks for the lively discussion. I am working with a friend on Bio and these are very pertinent issues that must be dealt with from several vantage points such as: longevity of the engine, environmental impact etc.
I am currently trying to learn everything I can about this important alternative fuel. funny how it's alternative when Mr. Rudolph Diesel ran the first Compression Ignition engine on peanut oil. Thanks for the lively discussion. I am working with a friend on Bio and these are very pertinent issues that must be dealt with from several vantage points such as: longevity of the engine, environmental impact etc.
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Originally Posted by Jacksfirstdiesel
I just want to give you 2 a big HUG. ;-)
I am currently trying to learn everything I can about this important alternative fuel. funny how it's alternative when Mr. Rudolph Diesel ran the first Compression Ignition engine on peanut oil. Thanks for the lively discussion. I am working with a friend on Bio and these are very pertinent issues that must be dealt with from several vantage points such as: longevity of the engine, environmental impact etc.
I am currently trying to learn everything I can about this important alternative fuel. funny how it's alternative when Mr. Rudolph Diesel ran the first Compression Ignition engine on peanut oil. Thanks for the lively discussion. I am working with a friend on Bio and these are very pertinent issues that must be dealt with from several vantage points such as: longevity of the engine, environmental impact etc.
www.biodiesel.org
http://www.nrel.gov/vehiclesandfuels/npbf/feature_guidelines.html
I think almost all manufacturers have approved biodiesel now.. who hasnt?
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cone bottom for your biobiesel 55gal processor
Hey all saw where some one posted where to get a cone bottom for there processor. i found a better solution that us plastics.http://www.bossbuck.com/products/parts/funnel.html
hope it helps and saves ya some $$$$$$
hope it helps and saves ya some $$$$$$
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