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Old Mar 10, 2007 | 02:42 PM
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Unhappy Extreme Turbo Lag/sputtering

Have Suddenly Began Having A Problem. First Noticed That Under High Turbo Boost, The Turbo Seemed To Sort Of Make A Cycling Type Of Noise. Next Thing I Noticed Was After Making A Right Turn Then Accelerating The Engine Seemed To Sputter Or Miss Then Cleared Up. Also The Turbo Lag Seems Extreme. Bad Sensor.....turbo??
 
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Old Mar 10, 2007 | 06:21 PM
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if you are under 100K have in to your dealer monday. covered for 5yr/100K. $100 co-pay over 3/36.
 
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Old Mar 11, 2007 | 11:38 PM
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I'm having similar problems after installing a AFE intake system.....I dont know if the intake is at fault or not. I took the MAF out and gave it a good cleaning with electrical spray. If I'm going to take this into Ford, I'm guessing I better get the intake back off there first.
 
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Old Mar 11, 2007 | 11:44 PM
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I Had A Bad Problem With My Aftermarket Intake And Took It Off And It Was Good Again Leave The Stocker On And Try That
 
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Old Mar 12, 2007 | 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by tiredlr
Have Suddenly Began Having A Problem. First Noticed That Under High Turbo Boost, The Turbo Seemed To Sort Of Make A Cycling Type Of Noise. Next Thing I Noticed Was After Making A Right Turn Then Accelerating The Engine Seemed To Sputter Or Miss Then Cleared Up. Also The Turbo Lag Seems Extreme. Bad Sensor.....turbo??
I was hoping to find some answers here, as i have many mods I have to remove if i go in for warranty work. I had forgot to mention that under accellaration i experience an extreme shudder/vibration. I thot the damn tranny was falling out. Not really, but the shudder was very pronounced, and it has only done it twice. I read another post that suggested i might have a bad injector. Truck seems to be running ok now, but has alot more turbo lag than it did before. Just wondering since it came on suddenly if it could be a sensor going bad. Can you tell i really dont want to go to the dealership!
 
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Old Mar 12, 2007 | 02:30 PM
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If you change stuff, then reset the KAM and retrain. I've have great luck using this procedure. The system must be trained when components are changed.

This, of course, is IMO

KAM (keep-alive-memory) reset & VGT learn procedure


1. Drive the truck to bring it completely up to operating temp - VGT learn procedure requires that the oil and coolant temps be high enough to allow EGR operation
2. Disconnect both battery ground cables at the same time... turn the headlights on for about 10 minutes - this will deplete any devices that even have a chance of retaining KAM in the PCM.
3. Turn off the headlight switch and reconnect the batteries.
4. Cycle the key to the run position twice to allow the clear procedure to complete..... pause in the on position long enough for the wait to start lamp to prove out and pause in the off position for 10 seconds to be sure the PCM has "gone to sleep".
5. Start the truck and leave it idle for at least 5 minutes... you will likely hear the turbo pitch change several times during this period as the PCM learns the necessary duty cycles for accurate VGT control.....
6. Now you can road test it and the process should be done...
 
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Old Mar 12, 2007 | 02:56 PM
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If you change stuff, then reset the KAM and retrain. I've have great luck using this procedure. The system must be trained when components are changed.


This, of course, is IMO




KAM (keep-alive-memory) reset & VGT learn procedure





1. Drive the truck to bring it completely up to operating temp - VGT learn procedure requires that the oil and coolant temps be high enough to allow EGR operation
2. Disconnect both battery ground cables at the same time... turn the headlights on for about 10 minutes - this will deplete any devices that even have a chance of retaining KAM in the PCM.
3. Turn off the headlight switch and reconnect the batteries.
4. Cycle the key to the run position twice to allow the clear procedure to complete..... pause in the on position long enough for the wait to start lamp to prove out and pause in the off position for 10 seconds to be sure the PCM has "gone to sleep".
5. Start the truck and leave it idle for at least 5 minutes... you will likely hear the turbo pitch change several times during this period as the PCM learns the necessary duty cycles for accurate VGT control.....
6. Now you can road test it and the process should be done...
Thanks OZ.... I think I will try that before i start stripping of the intake and water/meth system.
 
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Old Mar 12, 2007 | 03:01 PM
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Just take your time and follow the step-by-step. Give it AT LEAST 10 minutes to drain the power and 5 minutes to re-learn. You'll get a kick out of listening to the turbo change it's pitch as the process executes.
 
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Old Mar 12, 2007 | 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by rship72
I'm having similar problems after installing a AFE intake system.....I dont know if the intake is at fault or not. I took the MAF out and gave it a good cleaning with electrical spray. If I'm going to take this into Ford, I'm guessing I better get the intake back off there first.
Good luck to the technician who gets your truck. He could likely be looking for a problem that no longer exists when you put the stock intake back on. He can then invest a lot of time trying to satisfy a customer -- never knowing you changed the variables and led him on a goose chase.
 
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Old Mar 12, 2007 | 04:24 PM
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You must be a disgruntled Tech?? I obviously wouldn't take the truck in if removing the intake clears the issue?? Anyway, I have a hard time believing the intake had anything to do with this. I'm farily positive its my second wasted turbo, will know more by end of week though.
 
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Old Mar 12, 2007 | 04:31 PM
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[QUOTE=thelogster]Good luck to the technician who gets your truck. He could likely be looking for a problem that no longer exists when you put the stock intake back on. He can then invest a lot of time trying to satisfy a customer -- never knowing you changed the variables and led him on a goose chase.
 

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Old Mar 12, 2007 | 04:34 PM
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You must be a disgruntled Tech?? I obviously wouldn't take the truck in if removing the intake clears the issue?? Anyway, I have a hard time believing the intake had anything to do with this. I'm farily positive its my second wasted turbo, will know more by end of week though.
I agree, the only reason to remove the a/m intake and water meth injection, is so i dont get hassled over the warranty. The truck has always run fine with the a/m intake.
 
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Old Mar 12, 2007 | 05:47 PM
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Good luck to the technician who gets your truck. He could likely be looking for a problem that no longer exists when you put the stock intake back on. He can then invest a lot of time trying to satisfy a customer -- never knowing you changed the variables and led him on a goose chase.
yes we call it NPF- no problem found, I have heard that most intakes are not necessary under 450RWHP, they also fool the MAF and some report losing mileage.
 
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Old Mar 12, 2007 | 07:58 PM
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Did The Kam Reset And The Vgt Relearn Procedure, And It Seems To Have Taken Care Of The Problem. Noticably Improved On The Turbo Lag. Thnaks Again For The Tip!
 
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Old Mar 12, 2007 | 08:49 PM
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2. Disconnect both battery ground cables at the same time... turn the headlights on for about 10 minutes - this will deplete any devices that even have a chance of retaining KAM in the PCM.
This is funny, I want to try this, but how do you disconnect the cables "at the same time", get a friend?
 
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