Weight calculation?
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From: Williams Lake B.C.
Weight calculation?
Can anyone help me detirmine what I can haul with my truck and trailer?
Truck is a 02 F-350 4x4 SRW
GVWR 9900 lbs or 4490 Kgs
Trailer brake controler
Trailer is a 01 Southland 20' gooseneck
Tandem axle
14,616 lbs or 6630 Kgs
So can anyone give me a rough idea what I can legally and safetly haul?
Thanks Im looking at buying a piece of equipment and I want to be sure I can haul it.
Truck is a 02 F-350 4x4 SRW
GVWR 9900 lbs or 4490 Kgs
Trailer brake controler
Trailer is a 01 Southland 20' gooseneck
Tandem axle
14,616 lbs or 6630 Kgs
So can anyone give me a rough idea what I can legally and safetly haul?
Thanks Im looking at buying a piece of equipment and I want to be sure I can haul it.
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Whats the weight of the gooseneck "Hitch" on the rear of your truck and what is your GCVW (Gross Combined Vehicle Weights) Total for truck and trailer? That a good place to start.
Take the weight of your truck and subtract it from the 9900. That will give you a value (weight) that can be placed on the truck ie, a load in the bed, a load on the bumper hitch, a load on a gooseneck or 5th wheel hitch. This is not the weight of the trailer but the weight of the hitch on the truck.
Next is to add the weight of the truck and trailer and it should not be above the GCVW. Wild guess is a 2002 is around 20,000 total. Truck 6500, Trailer 4500 for a total of 11,000. Gives you a balance of 9000. Of course those figures are guesses.
Take the weight of your truck and subtract it from the 9900. That will give you a value (weight) that can be placed on the truck ie, a load in the bed, a load on the bumper hitch, a load on a gooseneck or 5th wheel hitch. This is not the weight of the trailer but the weight of the hitch on the truck.
Next is to add the weight of the truck and trailer and it should not be above the GCVW. Wild guess is a 2002 is around 20,000 total. Truck 6500, Trailer 4500 for a total of 11,000. Gives you a balance of 9000. Of course those figures are guesses.
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So using your figures does that figure I can haul 9000 lbs?
9000 isnt much for a 1ton and trailer ?
If so why do they say the trailer is 14,000+
Im not doubting you im just trying to figure out how its figured.
Im not usualy real dumb but I sure cant figure this out?
9000 isnt much for a 1ton and trailer ?
If so why do they say the trailer is 14,000+
Im not doubting you im just trying to figure out how its figured.
Im not usualy real dumb but I sure cant figure this out?
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1. I would look at your manual to get the exact weights. Those I gave were guesses.
2. Need to get your truck weighed to see were you sit.
3. I wont say it but yes these truck can handle more than the numbers given in the book. But I wont say that.
4. Yes the 9000 is basically what it says. I was looking at a gooseneck, same size and its empty weight was 4550. It was rated at 14,000. After subtracting the weight of the trailer that gives you a "Left-over" payload of basically 10,000. YOu can see the 10K is about the same as the 9000 that you have so its a pretty even match, ie just the right trailer four you truck.
Look at the manual and weigh the truck. Get the numbers back here.
I will forward you a site explaining all the info tomorrow. Right now I am at work.
2. Need to get your truck weighed to see were you sit.
3. I wont say it but yes these truck can handle more than the numbers given in the book. But I wont say that.
4. Yes the 9000 is basically what it says. I was looking at a gooseneck, same size and its empty weight was 4550. It was rated at 14,000. After subtracting the weight of the trailer that gives you a "Left-over" payload of basically 10,000. YOu can see the 10K is about the same as the 9000 that you have so its a pretty even match, ie just the right trailer four you truck.
Look at the manual and weigh the truck. Get the numbers back here.
I will forward you a site explaining all the info tomorrow. Right now I am at work.
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Here's an example: Say your truck weighs 7200#, that gives you 2700# payload. Which means your loaded hitch weight can't exceed 2700#. Assuming a gooseneck has a hitch weight of 25% of it's gross weight. So a 14,000# gooseneck has a 3500# hitch weight = 800# overloaded. So to get within the legal weight your trailer has to weigh no more than 10,800# gross weight. If your hitch weight is 20% of trailer gross weight then your trailer gross can go to 13,500#.
So yes, as Mike says, it's all a numbers game. Bring us some numbers and Mike can help you determine what kind of load you can legally pull.
And Mike, I don't know if you were going to PM Vinford that link or post it, but please feel free to share it with all of us. Thanks!
So yes, as Mike says, it's all a numbers game. Bring us some numbers and Mike can help you determine what kind of load you can legally pull.
And Mike, I don't know if you were going to PM Vinford that link or post it, but please feel free to share it with all of us. Thanks!
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Your truck has a GCWR of 20,000# subtract the actual weight of the truck and the actual weight of the trailer and that is what you can haul. GVWR is what the trailer is rated to haul, that does not mean that your truck can do that safely. If youre truck weighs 7200# and your trailer weighs 7000# you would be able to stay in range at 5800#.
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Legally you can haul up to whatever your truck is registered for. Safely... that is dependent on the skill of the driver. Ford does have some recommendations that relate to performance but only YOU can operate your truck in a safe manner.
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Originally Posted by Leader
Legally you can haul up to whatever your truck is registered for. Safely... that is dependent on the skill of the driver. Ford does have some recommendations that relate to performance but only YOU can operate your truck in a safe manner.
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I'll post that site later tonight, I'm at work now. I dont want to get into arguments about legal, safe, it can do more. I'm just passing on what the numbers say. Yes we all have been overloaded before, I'll leave it at that. See you later tonight.
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Look at the "What can I tow" section. It gives you some good general information on weights. This site has other good information.
Remember I'm just passing on the information.
Look at the "What can I tow" section. It gives you some good general information on weights. This site has other good information.
Remember I'm just passing on the information.
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Wow thats a pretty good weight for a 14K gooseneck. I have a 14K Titan 20' bumper pull and its 3540 empty.
Back to the intent of the question. What type of equipment are you looking at? Backhoe, skid steer, D10.
Just curious...
Back to the intent of the question. What type of equipment are you looking at? Backhoe, skid steer, D10.
Just curious...
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From: Williams Lake B.C.
A older mini excavator.
A Nissan
Its not very big physicaly its only 55inches wide by 15 feet long.
Im trying to get it home and I dont know what it weighs and I have 2 scales to go through.
Dont want to be sittting at a scale 300 miles from home.
A Nissan
Its not very big physicaly its only 55inches wide by 15 feet long.
Im trying to get it home and I dont know what it weighs and I have 2 scales to go through.
Dont want to be sittting at a scale 300 miles from home.
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Oh I have not a clue. I would guess that it is a little more than say a Bobcat 763. Those are around ( yes this is a guess) 5000 lbs. Looking to get one in a few years. So you have to stop at the scales even if it is not for commerical? Just curious since I might drive down to California to pick one up.... Would be driving through BC and Yukon so I need to check on that when I do go. Might just barge it up. I will be driving down this summer with the trailer to pick up my wifes piano, other STUFF, and tools that my father-in-law is giving me. Plus its a beautiful drive... We always do a Whitehorse, destruction bay RV trip each summer. I do enjoy the neatness of your country. Heck gas is almost as much here in rural alaska as in canada so its not to big of a sticker shock...
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ive never had to stop at the scales here in californin in a pick up, the only time i do see people go into them is if their hauling big boats or pools........i say as long as you dont look over weight you shouldnt have a problem, ive been grossing over 20k in my 1970 f250, and never had a problem, and i was even pulling a 72 foot mobile home trailer(just the metal frame) and never had a problem, just remeber, if your going to max out your trucks GCVW, make sure to drive it like you are, no doing 75 mph!!!!!! drive safely and slowly! theres no need to get to the scene of that accident first, or even kill someone!!!!!