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Old Mar 21, 2007 | 01:25 AM
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i got my laugh for the day
 
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Old Mar 21, 2007 | 07:39 AM
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you guy's are starting to wake the voices in my head
 
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Old Mar 21, 2007 | 10:29 AM
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Originally Posted by hofuf
Read your own post. You used the term "great". How can you say it's great when it's brand new? It may be better than it was but we will not know how good it is until there are a lot of them on the road with a lot of miles on them. And, yes, a POS car is automatically a POS even if it has been redesigned until it proves itself otherwise.
That's quite an opinion that you have, and that's just it, it's an opinion. Everyone doesn't have to agree with it.
 
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Old Mar 21, 2007 | 02:36 PM
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I only see one Stuge. Maybe I need to see my doctor.
The sad thing is, being from the same country, you both share the same socialized medicine............it's not helping him, I don't know why you'd bother.


Excuse me while I go eat some more laughs......not often we get to feast on them.


[I still want to know how he got "bumps" from "bugs"???]
 
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Old Mar 21, 2007 | 03:36 PM
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[I still want to know how he got "bumps" from "bugs"???]
I can see how, considering.....

Tim
 
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Old Mar 21, 2007 | 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by SMIGGS
That's quite an opinion that you have, and that's just it, it's an opinion. Everyone doesn't have to agree with it.
Help me understand your logic to have a differing opinion.
 
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Old Mar 21, 2007 | 05:47 PM
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Originally Posted by hofuf
Help me understand your logic to have a differing opinion.
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That's quite an opinion that you have, and that's just it, it's an opinion. Everyone doesn't have to agree with it.
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If you can't understand what I posted, I don't have the time or patience. I will say this, you may think a vehicle is a "POS" but some may not.
 
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Old Mar 21, 2007 | 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted by SMIGGS
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<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=4 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=alt2 style="BORDER-RIGHT: 1px inset; BORDER-TOP: 1px inset; BORDER-LEFT: 1px inset; BORDER-BOTTOM: 1px inset">Originally Posted by SMIGGS

That's quite an opinion that you have, and that's just it, it's an opinion. Everyone doesn't have to agree with it.

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If you can't understand what I posted, I don't have the time or patience. I will say this, you may think a vehicle is a "POS" but some may not.
I guess if you can't explain your point you call someone ignorant by stating that they don't have the capacity to "understand". I stated that I don't believe a historically bad vehicle that has be redesigned is automatically a good vehicle. You obviously have a differing opinion. I only asked how you came to that opinion.
 
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Old Mar 21, 2007 | 06:37 PM
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Yes I was calling you ignorant.... geesh.

I was just stating, once a again that this is your opinion.

[QUOTE=hofuf]I stated that I don't believe a historically bad vehicle that has be redesigned is automatically a good vehicle. You obviously have a differing opinion.[QUOTE=hofuf]

I could care less about what vehicle you are talking about.

[QUOTE=hofuf]You obviously have a differing opinion. I only asked how you came to that opinion[QUOTE=hofuf]

I have no clue what hat your pulling this out of.

This might clear things up, I DO NOT have an opinion on any of your statements regarding your classification of "POS" vehicles.
 
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Old Mar 21, 2007 | 10:47 PM
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@hofuf

My opinion while incomprehensible to you is still an opinion.

I'm willing to bet you've yet to see a new XL7 on the road let alone experience one first hand. Which is fine. I have however. My family, (grandfather) owns a Suzuki dealer along with two Chrysler dealers. So my opinion is slightly biased. However, I'm not much of a fan of Suzuki's and never have been. Certainly not to the point of arguing with you on here about how great they are. But I call a spade a spade. I know a good car when I see/experiance one and believe in giving credit where it's due.

Suzuki has come out with some solid products this year. The new SX4 is a great AWD, roomy, fuel efficient car. The Grand Vitara was redesigned last year and looks good, drives nicely and is priced well. Finally, the XL7 has been redesigned and is a good all around SUV. Very similar to the Cadillac SRX performance utility. If I'm not mistaken they're built side by side. I'm not a fan of the XL7's exterior, but the rest of the package is pleasing to say the least. I was pleasently surprised by the luxurious interior, dash layout and navigation system. Furthermore, the ride was nice and it has ample power for it's size.

I'm not in any way saying that you have to share my opinion. But I just don't agree with your logic or your analysis of XL7 "POS". I think you just jumped to conclusion because it is after all a Suzuki. I thought the same thing about them until I opened my eyes.

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.
 
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Old Mar 21, 2007 | 11:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Musclecar_Fan
@hofuf

My opinion while incomprehensible to you is still an opinion.

I'm willing to bet you've yet to see a new XL7 on the road let alone experience one first hand. Which is fine. I have however. My family, (grandfather) owns a Suzuki dealer along with two Chrysler dealers. So my opinion is slightly biased. However, I'm not much of a fan of Suzuki's and never have been. Certainly not to the point of arguing with you on here about how great they are. But I call a spade a spade. I know a good car when I see/experiance one and believe in giving credit where it's due.

Suzuki has come out with some solid products this year. The new SX4 is a great AWD, roomy, fuel efficient car. The Grand Vitara was redesigned last year and looks good, drives nicely and is priced well. Finally, the XL7 has been redesigned and is a good all around SUV. Very similar to the Cadillac SRX performance utility. If I'm not mistaken they're built side by side. I'm not a fan of the XL7's exterior, but the rest of the package is pleasing to say the least. I was pleasently surprised by the luxurious interior, dash layout and navigation system. Furthermore, the ride was nice and it has ample power for it's size.

I'm not in any way saying that you have to share my opinion. But I just don't agree with your logic or your analysis of XL7 "POS". I think you just jumped to conclusion because it is after all a Suzuki. I thought the same thing about them until I opened my eyes.

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.


I'm not positive about the Caddy, but I know the Suzuki shares the same platform with the Pontiac Torrent and Chevy Equinox.

Bet if we did a poll "here" the all-American Chevy and Pontiac would be waaaay better than that Japanese junk from Suzuki...
 
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Old Mar 22, 2007 | 07:36 AM
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Awww come on guy's
If it's not a ford it's a pos, thats my opinion.
 
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Old Mar 22, 2007 | 06:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Musclecar_Fan
@hofuf

My opinion while incomprehensible to you is still an opinion.

I'm willing to bet you've yet to see a new XL7 on the road let alone experience one first hand. Which is fine. I have however. My family, (grandfather) owns a Suzuki dealer along with two Chrysler dealers. So my opinion is slightly biased. However, I'm not much of a fan of Suzuki's and never have been. Certainly not to the point of arguing with you on here about how great they are. But I call a spade a spade. I know a good car when I see/experiance one and believe in giving credit where it's due.

Suzuki has come out with some solid products this year. The new SX4 is a great AWD, roomy, fuel efficient car. The Grand Vitara was redesigned last year and looks good, drives nicely and is priced well. Finally, the XL7 has been redesigned and is a good all around SUV. Very similar to the Cadillac SRX performance utility. If I'm not mistaken they're built side by side. I'm not a fan of the XL7's exterior, but the rest of the package is pleasing to say the least. I was pleasently surprised by the luxurious interior, dash layout and navigation system. Furthermore, the ride was nice and it has ample power for it's size.

I'm not in any way saying that you have to share my opinion. But I just don't agree with your logic or your analysis of XL7 "POS". I think you just jumped to conclusion because it is after all a Suzuki. I thought the same thing about them until I opened my eyes.

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.
Thanks for finally giving me the logic behind your opinion. I can comprehend something when it's actually put in writing. You have to understand that the things you listed as making the Suzuki a good all around SUV mean little to nothing to me. My daily driver is a 1995 Bronco with rubber floormats and vinyl seats. I don't care about luxurious interiors and dash layout. I care that it starts everytime I get into it, goes where I ask it to go, hauls what I want it to haul, and costs very little to operate. The Suzuki doesn't do that for me and it never will. It doesn't have the capacity to do so. I know that my Bronco is a good vehicle (using my definition of good) because I have a long history with the vehicle. We don't have to agree to disagree, we only have to realize that our perspectives of good are different.

BTW, for those who like to continue to bring up the tired old bullcrap about Japanese vehicles, I would only respond that if GM would've introduced a redesigned Chevy Vega, my response is that it's a POS until it proves itself othewise.
 
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Old Mar 22, 2007 | 06:56 PM
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"This might clear things up, I DO NOT have an opinion on any of your statements regarding your classification of "POS" vehicles."

Thanks. That totally clears it up.
 
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Old Mar 22, 2007 | 07:08 PM
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Originally Posted by hofuf

BTW, for those who like to continue to bring up the tired old bullcrap about Japanese vehicles, I would only respond that if GM would've introduced a redesigned Chevy Vega, my response is that it's a POS until it proves itself otherwise.
Especially if it has those wonderful Teflon coated cylinder walls again!
 
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