Very good info dkf

Do they have a version for the 2005 and up 3v V10 with a 5R110w Torqshift trasns????

 

Yep Fredvon4 they got you covered. I just checked there new "Livewire" programmer supports the new 3V v10. It is similar to the edge outlook, I think the livewire is around $550. The programmer I have is for 04'-06' V10's so it should work for your truck also. (SF 9415B) Belowis what the Strategy Flash 9415B tunes <TABLE cellSpacing=3 cellPadding=0 width=260 bgColor=#ffffff border=0><TBODY><TR vAlign=center align=left bgColor=#000066><TD bgColor=#ffffff height=15>SF Part Number: 9415B</TD><TD align=middle bgColor=#ffffff colSpan=2 height=15></TD></TR><TR vAlign=center align=left bgColor=#000066><TD width=145 height=15> Supported Vehicle</TD><TD align=middle height=15>HP Gain</TD><TD align=middle height=15>TQ Gain</TD></TR><TR vAlign=center align=left bgColor=#ebebeb><TD height=15>05 - 06 Mustang V6 4.0L</TD><TD align=middle height=15>11rwhp</TD><TD align=middle bgColor=#ebebeb height=15>22ft-lbs</TD></TR><TR vAlign=center align=left><TD height=15>05 - 06 Mustang GT 4.6L</TD><TD align=middle height=15>17rwhp</TD><TD align=middle height=15>30ft-lbs</TD></TR><TR vAlign=center align=left bgColor=#ebebeb><TD width=145 height=15>04 - 06 F-Series 4.2L</TD><TD align=middle height=15>14rwhp</TD><TD align=middle bgColor=#ebebeb height=15>20ft-lbs</TD></TR><TR vAlign=center align=left><TD width=145 height=15>04 - 06 F-Series 4.6L</TD><TD align=middle height=15>11rwhp</TD><TD align=middle height=15>8ft-lbs</TD></TR><TR vAlign=center align=left bgColor=#ebebeb><TD width=145 height=15>04 - 06 F-Series 5.4L</TD><TD align=middle height=15>22rwhp</TD><TD align=middle height=15>20ft-lbs</TD></TR><TR vAlign=center align=left><TD width=145 height=15>04 - 06 F-Series 6.8L</TD><TD align=middle height=15>31rwhp</TD><TD align=middle height=15>31ft-lbs</TD></TR><TR vAlign=center align=left bgColor=#ebebeb><TD width=145 height=15>03 - 04 6.0L Diesel Trucks</TD><TD align=middle height=15>150rwhp</TD><TD align=middle height=15>290ft-lbs</TD></TR><TR vAlign=center align=left><TD width=145 height=15>05 - 07 6.0L Diesel Trucks</TD><TD align=middle height=15>120rwhp</TD><TD align=middle height=15>248ft-lbs</TD></TR><TR vAlign=center align=left bgColor=#ebebeb><TD height=15>99 - 04 Focus Zetec 2.0L</TD><TD align=middle height=15>6fwhp</TD><TD align=middle height=15>9ft-lbs</TD></TR><TR vAlign=center align=left><TD height=15>03 - 04 SVT Focus</TD><TD align=middle height=15>8fwhp</TD><TD align=middle height=15>11ft-lbs</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>It would be a good idea to contact SCT or a local dealer to find out what all they have. SCT also has a 3-position chip that uses downloaded files from the dyno. There site is www.sctflash.com I have nothing but good things to say about my SCT tuner. I going to get a dyno tune once I get my headers and Y-pipe.

 

a 04 is a 2 valve and 05 and up is a 3 valve.how then can the programmer cover 04-06?

 

kinda my point in both my posts

The hype and BS in the advertising is really pityful....

What would be the point of a $550 programmer that has zero ability to impact the shift strategy while supposedly changing the injector and ignition curves?? And I would be very interested in knowing how the programmer effects the timing and ratios of the Variable Volume intake manifold on a three valve V10

 

Fredvon4 why did you even ask if they have a programmer for the 3v? Just something to complain about I guess.

$550 is for the livewire, $380 for SF.

 

dkf

Lighten up and un bunch your knickers..... you did an excellent job of making my point

My point with all 3 or 4 posts here is that each device (marketed for a 2005 and up 6.8L V10) makes claims it can not back up

Ford put 3V V10 6.8L motors in all 2005 and up trucks mated to a 5R110w auto trans and a variable volume intake plenum (some excursions and vans with the 2v V10 may get some use from the device)

Every chip and programer supplier claims they work on 01-06--- 03-07 yada yada yada

Most every site lets you poke in a vehicle type, year, motor etc and then the software jumps you to the product or family of products they claim will work

If you notice the second post is from Rob a guy who is in that business

If you notice my first post...the third in the thread I point out these facts

Also brother dkf....if you read each post in the thread you will suddenly notice how Rob does not dispute my opinion about spending $500+/- for little or no gain

Not complaing a bit brother, just helping to educate all my fellow V10 motor owners about the hype and BS....

 

First off I ain't your brother.

Second there is more use for a programmer than horsepower gains such as tire size, ratios, tranny firmness, fuel lean/richen, top speed limit and etc. It doesn't take a genius to figure out that advetising high hp gains sells. You just have to look at a programmer at more than just providing horsepower for the $$$.

 

I tried the sct xcal 2 on my 3v 10....sent it back within a few days...the onyl power to be had is in 1st and second gear you remove the 30 or so horse torque reduction programs which will eventiually kill your tranny...which yes gave a noticable difference in power, but they coudl not seem to get the tranny to shift right, i couldnt adjust tire size or the rev limiter...


Im sure the majority of this new programmers power is from removing the torque reduction programming...tell me if im wrong...then the rest is probably from advancing the timing and having to run 93 octane...if this is true i can see the horsepower gains....but i want to know how long the tranny will last!! haha



i really would like to hear if the tire size, tranny shifting, timing and fuel curves and rev limit are adjustable....because the sct xcal II claimed that same thing and nothing worked but the torque reduction program remove

 

I have the SCT for my 04' 2V like I stated in my first post. SCT says applications will vary and obviously as Kubota stated they do for the 3v and others.

I was asked if SCT has a product for the 3V and yes they do so I posted what I found.

The best thing to do is do your homework and find out whats available to tune for your vechicle before you buy it. The livewire SCT came out with may be different for the 3v compared to the SF.

 

dkf

OK not my brother

Please read for comprehension then...

RUBICON posted this:
"just to let everyone know superchips has the flaspack tuner #1815 available for the 05 and up v10 3v motors "

I am absolutely making the point that NOT ONE of the devices work as advertised for a 2005 and up 3v V10 mated to a 5R110w TorqShift transmission.....

What you are left with is a expensive device that only remaps the ignition and injector curves for $550+/-

Read the first post

Note how Rubicon is all excited that "they" now have a programmer for an 05 3v V10

Note how I went to his link and read the hype and BS only to find that it does not do any of the things necessary to make use of the remapping to put the power to the ground... it does NOT change rev limit...it does NOT change MPH limit...it does NOT change shift strategy, firmness or any aspect of the transmission... it claims to adjust for different gear ratio changes--- not a necessary adjustment as changing gear ratios effects NOTHING that the owner can not correct by disconnecting the battery and re-teaching the PCM and Trany the new RPM to MPH offset.

So for $500 you get a limited adjustment for tire size (that a Ford dealer can do in PCM programing) and some fuel and ignition remapping. But even here, they are woefully lacking in any technical information about how many programs, what they do, or octane level requirements!

In other words we are ALL still waiting for a good programmer for the 2005 and up 3v V10

Did you catch my reference to the Variable Volume intake Plenum?

This is the key to why there are ZERO blowers, Turbos, or effective Programmers for the 3v V10 motors

The Variable Volume (computer controlled) Intake plenum is responsible for a major portion of the higher HP and torque in the 3v V10s (from 2005 and up)

 

I also mentioned in another post recently about the SCT tune on my '06 v-10. I've got the supposed 31hp, and 31tq increase tune in my truck, and when it was "tuned" it was actually done on a chassis dyno, trying to also calibrate the speedo, and did not make 1hp or 1ftlb of torque more. It shifts firmer and revs a little higher between shifts, is about all it does. The only feature I do like is that the traction control is turned off with this tune.
The Ford dealer couldn't adjust my speedo for me. They tried, and fried my computer in the process. Once they put a new computer in it they wouldn't try it again.

Don't believe the numbers SCT reports. Save your money for something that actually works.

 

OK, I'll weigh in... captchas, Charlie, or sometimes LEVEL10, had a 2005 3-valve.

He used (I think) the Edge, and went nuts trying to get any more power out of the thing.

The only thing he and his friends found that produced one iota more power was the torque-limiting strategies for the tranny.

He tried headers, muffler, intakes, all sorts of things, and I don't think he came up with anything more than the deliberate de-power when shifting, or some other area with the torqueshift.

I can't imagine 43ft/lbs is available on the 3-valve V10 anywhere. Unless it means running 93 octane. And even then, that's a lot.

HOWEVER - I will admit, I did have a Superchips for my '96 t-bird 4.6L (the plugin type) and it did make a lot more torque in certain areas, while not effecting the PEAK torque by more than 10-12ft/lbs. There was 33ft/lbs more down below the peak, around 2500-3000RPMs. That made a HUGE difference in acceleration especially with a change from 3.27 to 3.73 gearing.

But with the V10's flat torque curve, the 3-valve motor doesn't have any shallow areas in the torque curve to beef up.

I don't think Charlie got an extra 40+ft/lbs anywhere... and he wasn't just bolting in a tuner. He was custom programming it for every little bit he could get along with exhaust and intake mods... I think he eventually removed them all...

Hopefully, Charlie will chime in soon...

 

I beleive charlie used the SCT which is in my mind the best tunner avalable for fords, It was actually the only thing he gained ANY power with but I don't remember how much. The intake, exhaust, headers and other dodads did nothing. Only he can give the exact results....................charlie, where are you??????

 

Your right SLE. And if I'm not mistaken, either he or Pat at Level 10 wrote a custom program for his truck. I'm positive it wasn't the "factory" SCT program.

 

Whatever it is, I know it was custom...