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Old Feb 22, 2007 | 10:35 PM
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4R100 Specs?

Where can I find all the specifications of the Excursion trany? Mainly the preformance and limitations specification.
 
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Old Feb 23, 2007 | 03:17 AM
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A seach through the Super Duty forum should yield something.

What I know is 4=speeds, R=reverse, 100=it is rated to handle 1000lbs of torque.

The torque converter compounds torque at a .72 ratio (crap...don't quote me on that. I'm sittin' here trying to remember and man...it just ain't workin')

All helical gears. Lockup torque converter. Ummm...that's all I can think of right now. My brain is shutting down.
 
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Old Feb 23, 2007 | 08:49 AM
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The torque converter compounds torque at a .72 ratio
The torque converter multiplication ratio is 1.9:1.
Fourth gear (overdrive) ratio is 0.71:1, maybe that's what you were thinking of.
 
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Old Feb 23, 2007 | 01:05 PM
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AH HA! Told ya it was late.
 
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Old Feb 24, 2007 | 09:54 PM
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So your saying it can take an engine that can put out 1,000 Ft./ lbs. of torque? So could I throw a motor from a milspec deuce and a half in my Excursion? :P:P:P
 
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Old Feb 24, 2007 | 11:01 PM
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Sure, if you weld the flywheel to the trans input shaft somehow. But that just wouldnt work out very well. The torque converter multiplys torque. I believe the stock one was rated at around 1.9 STR (going off what was said earlier in this post). So its effectively giving the trans 1.9 times the torque the motor is producing.

So you can do about 525 lb-ft of tq at the flywheel before you start to exceed fords recommended maximum torue figures if you kept the stock transmission.
 
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Old Feb 24, 2007 | 11:53 PM
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I thought the torque converter was part of the trans? What does the torque converter do? So are you saying the max safe input torque for the trans is 525 ft/ lbs? You said the torque converter multiples torque. What do you mean by that? It multiples it from the engine to the trany or where?
 
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Old Feb 25, 2007 | 12:07 AM
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I could type it out, but its alot easier to just link you to this. If you still have Qs you can ask again.

http://auto.howstuffworks.com/torque-converter.htm
 
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Old Feb 25, 2007 | 01:15 AM
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Ok so let me make sure I get this right. The turbine spins fast when the engine is at a high RPM level causing the fluid inside to spin at high velocity. The fluid then hits the stator, which causes the stator and input shaft of the transmission to spin. Is that right? Now I am not a physicist but this seems like a waste of energy. There would undoubtabley have to be losses involved when you use a fluid to spin something indirectly instead of spinning it directly via a device that completely locks the engine and trany together. Simply connecting the engine to the transmission via a clutch that completely locks up (like a locking differential) would seem to be much more efficient. Or am I missing something?
 
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Old Feb 25, 2007 | 01:18 AM
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Also does the 4R100 use a lockup clutch?
 
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if you had a lockup clutch, and you came to a stop, you would have to put it in neutral. imagine having a stick shift car and never using the clutch pedal. it'd be like dat.the automatic trans needs the slippage.
 
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Old Feb 25, 2007 | 03:41 AM
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Originally Posted by RACERX7775
if you had a lockup clutch, and you came to a stop, you would have to put it in neutral. imagine having a stick shift car and never using the clutch pedal. it'd be like dat.the automatic trans needs the slippage.
That’s why they could come up with a clutch that automatically unlocks below a cretin speed when your coming to a stop and relocks as soon as you try to take off. I don’t imagine it would be hard to build a computer to sense when your trying to stop and take off. If they can build a car that can park itself they could build an electronicaly controled clutch.
 

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That’s why they could come up with a clutch that automatically unlocks below a cretin speed when your coming to a stop and relocks as soon as you try to take off.
It's called a lockup torque converter. Your 4R100 and all other modern automatics transmissions have one. Keep reading that How Stuff Works article, it's in there.

At higher speeds, when the torque converter is no longer multiplying engine torque, a clutch is applied that locks the torque converter's input and outputs together, so there is no loss in the torque converter. At lower speeds it unlocks so that the engine won't stall.
 
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Old Feb 25, 2007 | 08:48 PM
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^^^How fast do you have to be going before it locks? I read the whole artical. I remember something about 40 MPH.
 
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Old Feb 26, 2007 | 06:58 AM
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It varies with different axle ratios, different amount of go pedal pushing, and different PCM codes. 40 MPH is a good average. Sometimes higher, sometimes lower.
 
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