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Old Feb 13, 2007 | 07:53 PM
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not really because i dont know wut HEET is and i dont know wut a red bottle has to do with that. dont mean to be rude about it but im not sure wut your trying to say.
 
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Old Feb 13, 2007 | 07:56 PM
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ok Heet is a gas line antifreeze that you can buy at an autoparts store, there is 2 colors of bottles of the stuff, yellow and red, yellow is Methanol, red is Ethanol.
 
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Old Feb 13, 2007 | 08:14 PM
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Originally Posted by MazdaRangerGuyInSTL
Well I don't see E85 as a waste of money.. even if it costs more than regular unleaded... here's a few reasons why:

1> It does produce more power, although it takes more quantity to do so. This results in a bit more pep in my vehicle.. and to my truck, it's like giving an animal a treat.. it just loves the stuff.

2> It supports the agricultural industry more so than the oil industry. America has the potential of becoming the "OPEC of E85" and that makes me feel good when I purchase it. While it may not be a viable long term solution, I think short term it shows enormous potential. Other political reason? Well that's up to whoever is reading this and is probably a topic for another thread.

3> It cleans out the fuel system quite well. If nothing else you should run a tank from time to time (assuming you have a flex fuel vehicle) just for this reason.
Here's another perspective on that:
1. The E85 has considerably higher octane rating, meaning that a properly tuned engine will run significantly more spark advance w/ E85 compared to gasoline, so the engine will typically see several percentage points increase in power on E85 v. gasoline. However, E85 has approximately 30% less energy per gallon (117000 BTU/gal v. 82000 BTU/gal), so unless the engine becomes significantly more efficient on E85, the miles per gallon will take a serious hit, as guys have listed in earlier posts. Typically, the engine will operate a little more efficiently, but mileage will drop around 20% w/ E85.

2. There is exactly 0% chance of America becoming the "OPEC of E85" since it would literally take 70% of America's cropland to produce enough E85 just to replace the gasoline that is used in America, without taking into account any exports. Since people in American will continue to enjoy eating, we will never put 70% of our cropland to producing E85. Not to mention that it takes almost 7 gallons of oil to produce 10 gallons of E85 - the cropland is tilled by farmers using diesel fuel, and much natural gas is used to make the fertilizers that are used to grow the corn, etc. etc. At best its a short term political bandaid to the real problem...

3. There are lots of other ways to clean out the fuel system, including a little acetone, which I use from time to time - and I don't need a different tune on the engine to use it.

Unless you are into making E85 yourself in your backyard still with leftover cornstalks, I don't see the value in using it, when the cost per gallon is virtually the same as gasoline and the energy content is significantly lower.
 
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Old Feb 13, 2007 | 09:36 PM
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ok Heet is a gas line antifreeze that you can buy at an autoparts store, there is 2 colors of bottles of the stuff, yellow and red, yellow is Methanol, red is Ethanol.
Alcohol was used as antifreeze in the old days before todays product was mass produced.

Raise the engine compression to compensate for some of the lost energy in the gas, if, methanol is to be used permanently as fuel. jd
 
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Old Feb 14, 2007 | 11:57 AM
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thanks monsterbaby, sorry i just never heard of HEET before. Good to know though.
 
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