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Old Feb 2, 2007 | 05:54 PM
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Dead in the driveway

Background; Rough running then recovered. Check engine light came on then off. No codes. Ran fine. Next day dead in the driveway. Turned over fine with NO TACH MOVEMENT.

Changed fuel filter. NOTHING.

Everything pointed to CPS.

Just came inside from doing that and it is still dead. Brand new black CPS.
Followed the directions on here to a T including the fuse #9 removal prior to removing the old one.

When I turned to key on with the new one installed i get a C Err on the APCM. No start no wait to start light, no vacuum pump or anything. TUrns over but not starting.

What is a C Err and what woudld else be wrong.

PS Had the APCM for a while and it works 100%.

THanks,
RC
 
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Old Feb 2, 2007 | 06:00 PM
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Are you getting a WTS light?

Is the Fuel Pump comming on at key on?
 
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Old Feb 2, 2007 | 06:25 PM
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Originally Posted by amiller93
Are you getting a WTS light?

Is the Fuel Pump comming on at key on?
Negative. The only lights at key on are the seatbelt and brake light. That is about it.

Negative on the fuel pump.

I did check #9 fuse to make sure it was not blown and it was not and that is was inserted properly.
 
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Old Feb 2, 2007 | 06:36 PM
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Did you check your #30 fuse (or whatever number it is on a '99). Doesn't seem likely but it doesn't hurt to look. You might want to replace the #9 with a new one just in case.
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Old Feb 2, 2007 | 06:40 PM
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Hey Med, man I feel dumb giving you advice. Ok, here it goes. On the no fuel pump thing, cause I know you been turning the key looking at the dash stuff. Drain the fuel bowl, then turn the key to see if it runs to prime the system.

Stand by man, we're calling out the big dogs.....
 

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Old Feb 2, 2007 | 06:47 PM
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Double check all of the PCM related fuses and diodes under the dash and under the hood as well as the relays. The #30 Joe mentioned is a common culprit if it reblows unplug the Fure Bowl Heater/WIF indicator on the rear of the fuel bowl.
 
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Old Feb 2, 2007 | 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Orezona
Hey Med, man I feel dumb giving you advice. Ok, here it goes. On the no fuel pump thing, cause I know you been turning the key looking at the dash stuff. Drain the fuel bowl, then turn the key to see if it runs to prime the system.

Stand by man, we're calling out the big dogs.....
To much snow and too cold to do that tonight but I will do that first thing in the morning. When I changed the fuel filter at the beginning of this scenario, I can't remember if it did anything then or not.
 
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Old Feb 2, 2007 | 07:19 PM
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Originally Posted by JOE-M
Did you check your #30 fuse (or whatever number it is on a '99). Doesn't seem likely but it doesn't hurt to look. You might want to replace the #9 with a new one just in case.
Joe

I have a few extra's and will do that also.
 
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Old Feb 2, 2007 | 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by amiller93
Double check all of the PCM related fuses and diodes under the dash and under the hood as well as the relays. The #30 Joe mentioned is a common culprit if it reblows unplug the Fure Bowl Heater/WIF indicator on the rear of the fuel bowl.
OK will do.

However, I am still in doubt as to why the C Err is showing on the APCM and I have no tach when I try and turn it over.
 
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Old Feb 2, 2007 | 07:28 PM
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If your PCM is not getting powered (No WTS Light) you will have no tach or APCM control.
 
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Old Feb 2, 2007 | 07:42 PM
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Originally Posted by amiller93
If your PCM is not getting powered (No WTS Light) you will have no tach or APCM control.
Ah...makes sense. I just went back and checked to see if the C Err would go off or if it stays on and it stays on. I found a chart in the back of the APCM manual in trouble shooting and it says that if it stays on to CHECK COMMUNICATION LINES to the APCM or it means that I have it on the wrong year truck.

I know the year is right because it worked perfectly prior.
 
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Old Feb 2, 2007 | 07:53 PM
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if the PCM is not powered it cant "Talk" to it so you could get a false C err
 
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Old Feb 2, 2007 | 09:17 PM
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Not trying to steal this post but where is the #9 fuse located? and why is it important to remove it when changing the cps?
 
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Old Feb 2, 2007 | 10:54 PM
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Just a shot here but, Unhook both batts for 30 min and reset the system, and then see what you've got ( I know its not Windows, or XP, but most computers need resetting every now and then) Mac guys, don't even touch that one.
 
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Background; Rough running then recovered.
Hmmm, is the wiring harness worn through and chafing somewhere?
 
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