Anyone have any experience?. Neighbor yanked me out of a hole I shouldn't have been in. Did it with his skid loader.
Anyone use that stuff with a winch?

Peace

 

I've seen heavy nylon towing straps, but never have seen a winch rope in nylon. It's have too much stretch.

 

I don't know about nylon, but I've used synthetic Amsteel Blue winch rope in the Warn on my trail rig for a few years now and the stuff is great. It doesn't stretch, doesn't bind-up like steel cable, has a higher strength rating (same diameter), weighs a whole lot less and is definitely easier to work with. You just have to be careful about scraping it across rough surfaces and any sharp objects or getting chemicals on it. I also had to change the fairlead on my winch from a roller type to a hawse type. This is also the stuff that most competetive rock crawlers now use. Good stuff.

 

Ditto what Enviro says. If you run a winch and you can afford to buy stuff rated for your winch it's... well Enviro points out the positives. Downside, abrasion. You'll need a "sleeve" to put over the line if you're in the rocks.

 

I don't have a winch on my truck, yet. But, I have a ParaSail boat with a 20,000 pound hydraulic PTO winch to let the chute and people out and bring them back in. All it's ever used is 1/2" KRYPTON-K DOUBLE BRAID (100% KEVLAR CORE) from Pelican Rope Works. 15,000 pound rated. Great stuff!! We get about 450-500 flights off each 600' spool. No roller fairlead. Very abrasion resistant stuff.

http://www.pelicanrope.com/index.html

 

I own a tree service company and some of the new sythetic lines are amazing. That amsteel blue is the tops (if you can afford it).

 

H*ll yeah, amsteel is some good stuff. One more thing, if it snaps, it falls, no recoil. Wire holds energy and will snap back. It can kill. The synthetic will fall to the ground because it doesn't hold the energy and doesn't have the "potential" safety issues related to wire rope. I think wire rope is fine....but I'd rather have the Amsteel if my life depended on it.

 

The neighbor said it is used on the lineman trucks. Pulling powerlines, non-conductive. We did snap it pulling a flatbed dually out of a ditch.

Thanks guys I think I'll re-spool with wire rope rated at 17,500 lbs. I was wanting to get away from pinches and poor spooling. Guess I'll have to pay attention and take care how I spool.

Peace

 

It doesn't sound like you were using any synthetic designed for winches. The synthetics designed for winches, whether it's Warn's brand or AmSteel, are much stronger than their same diameter wire cable counterparts.

5/16" Wire cable= 9800lbs
5/16" AmSteel Blue= 13700lbs

3/8" Wire cable= 14400lbs
3/8" AmSteel Blue= 20400lbs

7/16" Wire cable= 17600lbs
7/16" AmSteel Blue= 23925lbs

 

EnviroCon,
I liked the stuff he used whatever it is. There wasn't any snap or jerk at all when he pulled me out. Next time I see the neighbor I'll ask.
What is the cost for 130 feet of this amsteel blue? Do they have it in 1/2 inch?
I see in your signature it says "Dual Stabilizers". What is that?

 

BlueOvalBoy,

I too use the Amsteel Blue synthetic winch rope on my Jeep. It's all that. I think I paid somewhere around $260 for 125ft of it plus about $40 for the aluminum Hawse fairlead that's required when using synthetic rope. And like everybody else has said, the only drawback is abrasion. If it's anything other than a straight pull, I keep a few different length pieces of clear 3/4" polyethylene tubing. It's sliced down the middle so I can slip it over the winch rope and usually if you can keep tension on the rope, the tubing will hang on the rock, while the rope slides right thru. It's cheap enough at Home Depot to replace as it gets torn up.

And I believe the dual stabilizer's that EnviroCon's referring to are his steering stabilizer's. Alot of guys run two w/ oversize tires. Hope this helps.

Dave

 

They do have 1/2" (all the way up to fist sized if you want). AmSteel has been around a long time. It's made by Samson Rope. It's just that it is mainly used in the marine industry as mooring lines or by tugboats to pull barges, freighters, whatever. My guess for 130' of 1/2" would be in the $365. range (Oh yes, it's expensive). And just for the record, while I love my synthetic rope (I just think it's easier to deal with) and often recommend it, I have nothing against wire rope. In fact that's what's currently spooled on my trail rigs winch, since I managed to cake the AmSteel w/mud and gunk and had to take it off to clean it and let it dry. I've just been to lazy to switch the ropes and fairleads back.

Metalman's right about the dual stabilizers. They're dual steering stabilizers. I think there's pictures of them in one of my gallery's.

 

Marine rope or dock rope, and synthetic winch line are two totally different lines. Dock rope is usable for tugging, or snatching similar to a ****** strap. The rope is advantageous because unlike a strap, it can be mended if it breaks. Many wheelers use this stuff at or around the 2.5" diameter,and it is used for its strength, and our ability to reach a stuck vehicle that is more than 30' away. Most straps with enough strength for this type of pull are only 30' long. I am not talking about some cheesy 2", or 3" strap either.
Since we are in the SD section, and discussing synthetic winch rope, many have mentioned Amsteel rope, and I just want to suggest that even at 7/16 diameter, it is only rated to 21,500 (lbs), this does not make it a great choice for us with big ol trucks, a Jeep or early Bronco for sure, but these trucks are no lightweights,and when they get stuck, they get really stuck. Superline makes a 7/16" line that is pre-stretched, (still stretches some) and is rated to 40,000 (lbs) minimum breaking strength.
Most guys mentioned abrassion, and this is a big killer of ropes, but did yall know that leaving a dirty rope, with mud that has been absorbed into it is just as bad as dragging it accross something? The dirt will cause the rope to rub itself away from stretching, and releasing tension with dirt inside of the strands.
I am a fan of the synthetic rope, just wanted to suggest that people do a little homework before they purchas for their trucks, the stuff is not that cheap, and selecting the wrong size, for the application can really suck.

 

Samson Rope disagrees. Here's a FAQ sheet on Amsteel Blue mooring lines--> http://www.samsonrope.com/site_files/AmSteel-Blue_FAQ.pdf

Here's the page for AmSteel Blue "utility" uses such as winch line. http://www.samsonrope.com/index.cfm?ind=11&app=30&rope=192&inst=1

You'll notice the product description is the same. The AmSteel Blue we use on our winches is the same AmSteel Blue Samson recommends for mooring lines and other marine applications.

Keep in mind that we're talking about winch line here and not a ****** line. Warn's largest capacity self-recovery winch, the 16.5ti only comes with a 7/16" wire rope rated at 17600lbs breaking strength. So whichever 7/16" (does Masterpull make a 7/16" winch line?) synthetic you choose to go with you're still exceeding Warn's stock wire rope, as well as, the winch's rated line pull. Which means that you're more likely to fry the winch long before you break either line. I have nothing against Superline, and it's definitely another synthetic option, I just happen to use AmSteel, have experience with it, so that's what I can speak to.

 

I think we are seeing the same thing, the mooring line is the same as the winch line, but the tug line is a different line alltogether. I do agree that the synthetic line is the way to go, and that it has many benifits. Do you use your synthetic line on your SD?