Bogger VS Sand Tires(race style/scoops) for snow drags- which tire will perform best. Assuming the boggers remain uncut.

 

The paddle tire will displace more snow than an uncut bogger. The voids between the lugs of the bogger are still too close together to be as effective as a paddle tire. Whether you now it or not, paddle tires are tough to tune for applications other than sand. Density of the snow will vary, so the number of paddles, and the spacing between them, as well as the heigth of the paddle, the radius of the scoop (paddle) all are contributing factors. The paddle tire may not last very long in snow either, due to sticks, and rocks, and other foriegn objects in the snow. Keep in mind that a paddle is a bias ply carcus that has had everything removed for wieght reduction, and has "paddles" vulcanized to it. The tire will puncture easily. Paddles tear easily, they very seldom hold air very well, and do not drive worth a hill of beans on anything that the paddle can't sink into. Leaving the paddle tire (flat, it will go flat) will destroy the tire, so you will have to remove them after every use.

 

Silly kwes-chun . . . Which moves more dirt, a shovel or a rake ??

 

75- thanks for reply, sounds like CUT boggers are more useful and practical. and cheaper- sand tires aren't cheap. i never thought i'd say the words "bogger" and "cheaper" in the same sentance.
Geo- thanks for you reply also... boggers aren't exactly a rake by any means....i've never had them in sufficient snow or sand, nor have i ever had ANY sand tires, so this was an uneducated question, and in reference to snow, not sand.

 

i have sand tires unlimited 2000's.they are 33"tall and 20" wide.they are not a carcass with scoops vulcanized like a super scoop.they are molded in one piece like a regular tire is.mine have been pretty durable.i have never run them in snow,just sand but i would think they would perform similarly to sand.i think it would throw a heck of a rooster tail!i even run these on the road into and out of the dunes and it drives just like when it has the regular tires on the back.

 

how much did you give for em....????

 

new,with 18" wide aluminum racing wheels,it was $1400.just search sand tires unlimited.

 

bronco521: You are correct with the molded padla tire that you run on your bronco (nice bronco by the way), I prefer the
Skat-Trak tires myself, and run them on my sand cars. I use the "bigger digger" on my big car, and the "hooker" for the little one. Funny story when I told my wife I had to get a pair of "hookers" for the next trip to Glamis. Ha Ha! Almost got a divorce. Anyway, your tire has 36 small and large paddles (molded) to the tire, and they are 1.5" tall, with low tire pressures, it might roll around pretty easily, and not flop around that much. With fewer padddles, and larger scoops, it makes driving on hard surfaces a real PITA.
I have some experience running sand tires in the snow, and I can tell you that I brought back damaged tires. Was like I was running them on rocks or something. Too expensive to do that again. Gotta be something to do with cold, and the crap in the snow that we can't see.

 

i drove on the pavement once with some comp cut 2000's and it wasn't that pleasant,especially down around 10mph.and scoops would be even worse.were yours the kevlar reinforced ones?right now it is almost impossible to get scoops new.there are no slick carcasses around for them to glue the scoops to.the new compound in the slicks,goodyear any way,doesn't lend itself well to vulcanizing.

 

as far as damaging these in the snow,could it be icy chunks in there tearing them off?i know guys that run sand drags,and some of the strips are more gravel than sand,and they tear chunks out of the paddles.mine still look like new,almost.no chunks ripped out .

i run these exclusively in the sand .with the exception of occasionally barking them hitting second,or sharp turns,have never hurt them running on the road.never over 25-30 mph,by the way.

 

I run sand only too. My history with snow was just foolin around wondering the same thing that most guys wonder, "will they work in snow"?
Yes mine are kevlar. I am fortunate to have owned a custom shop in AZ, where I built sand cars, and I maintained a few good relationships, so individual tire components are a phone call away.
As far as the icy chunks wrecking the tire, yes, I am sure there are many factors as to why they ruin tires. I have seen some dune areas that have super bad sand (like gravel), and this does not treat the tires much better. Have you tried other tires with your ride, or just the 2000's? I was really big into tire tuning for specific applications,and I have found that most people kill much power from over sizing the paddle. Either too many paddles too close together, or a scoop that is crazy huge. The key obviously is to find the right amount of slip, with adequate traction. This is a little harder to do with vehicles with auto's, and big, (actually little, you know what I mean) converters. I am aware of your bronco, and the sick puppie power that it makes, (man that thing is awesome), but just wondered if you have tried different style tires? Do you run it in any sand drags, or hillclimbs (sand of course)?
I apologize for hijacking the thread, but we still are talking about sand tires.

 

i may get a set of super scoops but for the most part will stick to the 2000's.it's just a play truck so the longevity the 2000's have given me i'm very happy with.i need more tire than these,first gear i just about won't move.instantly on the limiter.shift into second and i starts pulling good and into third.was thinking some scoops would let me get some use out of first but don't want to run them all the time because they'll get ruined on the pavement into and out of the dunes.

i've seen trucks with 18 paddle super scoops that just don't turn them right on,not enough power to spin them like they need to be.thats not to mention the jeep with a warmed up 355 and bigger diggers.poor thing.

mine is used inthe dunes only.i plan on running it in some sand drags this year to see what it will do and for tuning.seat of the pants isn't all that accurate

 

oh yeah,all of us that go to silver lake would love to go to glammis someday.that make silver lake look like a parking lot.heckuva drive from here tho.

 

Gotta love that seat of the pants tune up! LOL.
Yes it takes quite a bit of power to pull some scoopers. I run a twin turbo cadi n. star with three stages of nitrous. I also only run 16 paddles, and beadlocks. I tried to save some weight with the tires, and ended up with flats all the time, and the tires filled with sand. The wheels were sipnning inside of the tires. It is what it is I guess.
Out here in So.CA, we live so close to Glamis, we almost never go to any other sand. Once you have been there, everything else falls a little short.
If you ever make the voyage out to Glamis, let me know, you will always have a bunk to sack out, and some tools in the box, and plenty of coldies in the cooler.

 

well now that thing sounds pretty wicked.there are a few buggies here with twin turbo northstars and ls1's.now the three stages of nitrous to go along with that.....sounds like trouble

oh yeah sorry bout that .