Global Warming
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From: NJ where fun comes to die
You cannot trust the government. They are uneducated fools that could not keep a job selling shoes. Dennis is right. We are coming out of an ice age. Good, I like it warmer. We can adapt or complain.
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From: Rio Rico, AZ.
Perfect timing.
I just saw on the news last night a spot about some ice core samples taken from Antarctica. The have some way of measuring the CO2 mixed in with the ice. They revealed that the earth has gone through eight warming and cooling cycles in the time that it took to make that glacial ice. And that ice was pretty old, definately made way before modern times.
I really hope that level heads will prevail and this data will be considered when making environmental policies worldwide.
There's responsible stewardship of earth's resources to the betterment of mankind's lifestyle and then there's despotic manipulation of policies just have power over everyone in some way.
I just saw on the news last night a spot about some ice core samples taken from Antarctica. The have some way of measuring the CO2 mixed in with the ice. They revealed that the earth has gone through eight warming and cooling cycles in the time that it took to make that glacial ice. And that ice was pretty old, definately made way before modern times.
I really hope that level heads will prevail and this data will be considered when making environmental policies worldwide.
There's responsible stewardship of earth's resources to the betterment of mankind's lifestyle and then there's despotic manipulation of policies just have power over everyone in some way.
Last edited by Kwikkordead; Jan 19, 2007 at 07:43 AM.
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From: Location, Location.
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Once they learn how to eliminate or control these two HUGE Natural environmental disasters......I'll stop driving my 30 miles a week.
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I read recently that a lack of forest fires due to human fire-fighting intervention is one of the causes of the spread of the highly destructive Mountain Pine Beetle in British Columbia. Seems that they thrive on a particular maturity of pine, but normally natural fires keep that age of pine to a limited population. With human fire-fighting, the population of mature pines has increased which has caused the Pine Beetle to explode and they are threatening to destroy the whole country's forests now.
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Once they learn how to eliminate or control these two HUGE Natural environmental disasters......I'll stop driving my 30 miles a week.
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What we see as a "disaster" is just another natural cycle....
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Originally Posted by fred_79f250
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Once they learn how to eliminate or control these two HUGE Natural environmental disasters......I'll stop driving my 30 miles a week.
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I read recently that a lack of forest fires due to human fire-fighting intervention is one of the causes of the spread of the highly destructive Mountain Pine Beetle in British Columbia. Seems that they thrive on a particular maturity of pine, but normally natural fires keep that age of pine to a limited population. With human fire-fighting, the population of mature pines has increased which has caused the Pine Beetle to explode and they are threatening to destroy the whole country's forests now.
<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=4 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=alt2 style="BORDER-RIGHT: 1px inset; BORDER-TOP: 1px inset; BORDER-LEFT: 1px inset; BORDER-BOTTOM: 1px inset">Originally Posted by Mil1ion
Once they learn how to eliminate or control these two HUGE Natural environmental disasters......I'll stop driving my 30 miles a week.
</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
I read recently that a lack of forest fires due to human fire-fighting intervention is one of the causes of the spread of the highly destructive Mountain Pine Beetle in British Columbia. Seems that they thrive on a particular maturity of pine, but normally natural fires keep that age of pine to a limited population. With human fire-fighting, the population of mature pines has increased which has caused the Pine Beetle to explode and they are threatening to destroy the whole country's forests now.
Sorta strange how that all works eh? An ecosystem will level itself out, eventually, no matter what we have to say about it.
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Funny was looking on Wikipedia the other night. There was a list of people who were skeptical of global warming. The majority of the skeptics were scientist. Few politicians fewer celebrities.
The climate is in a constant state of change with only 150 years of good weather observations.
The climate is in a constant state of change with only 150 years of good weather observations.
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From: Montreal Canada
I don't see how the two positions contradict one another.
1. historical climate change is raising temperatures.
2. human consumption of oil and coal has accelerated to the point we are having a noticeable impact on the atmosphere
1 + 2 = its getting warmer.
I think the bottom line here isn't the science, but money and power. The United States is not going to sign Kyoto, or any other international treaty, that will overshadow American "interests" in the Middle East.
1. historical climate change is raising temperatures.
2. human consumption of oil and coal has accelerated to the point we are having a noticeable impact on the atmosphere
1 + 2 = its getting warmer.
I think the bottom line here isn't the science, but money and power. The United States is not going to sign Kyoto, or any other international treaty, that will overshadow American "interests" in the Middle East.
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From: Not as far west as I want
Originally Posted by websthes
I don't see how the two positions contradict one another.
1. historical climate change is raising temperatures.
2. human consumption of oil and coal has accelerated to the point we are having a noticeable impact on the atmosphere
1 + 2 = its getting warmer.
I think the bottom line here isn't the science, but money and power. The United States is not going to sign Kyoto, or any other international treaty, that will overshadow American "interests" in the Middle East.
1. historical climate change is raising temperatures.
2. human consumption of oil and coal has accelerated to the point we are having a noticeable impact on the atmosphere
1 + 2 = its getting warmer.
I think the bottom line here isn't the science, but money and power. The United States is not going to sign Kyoto, or any other international treaty, that will overshadow American "interests" in the Middle East.
Furthermore the climate changed changed long time man started the industrural revolution. Most recently was an ice age, before that climate was fairly tropical. I agree there is change, but not for the reasons you state.
Maybe you should sign a petition to outlaw the greatest greenhouse gas - Dihydrogen Monoxide.
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From: Montreal Canada
i agree there was climate change before there was industrial pollution. now there's greenhouse gas and global warming to boot.
most of the warming observed over the last 50 years is attributable to human activities.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attribu...climate_change
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attribu...climate_change
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From: Not as far west as I want
Originally Posted by websthes
i agree there was climate change before there was industrial pollution. now there's greenhouse gas and global warming to boot.
One eruption that was large enough would give off more gas compared to man has done in the last 200 years.
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From: Kiefer, Northeastern Okla
www.ipcc.ch/pub/spm22-01.pdf
Still don't think humans have a major impact on climate change?
I'm a skeptic at heart, so I've done a lot of reading that has really been an eye opener.
I originally subscribed to Scientific American magazine (www.sciam.com) for their articles on stem cell research and space sciences, but in the past few years there's been climate change articles in almost every issue.
Oh, BTW, volcanic eruptions and forest fires actually have the opposite effect on the temperature as greenhouse gases, by releasing microscopic particulates and cooling the atmosphere.
I've got a long list of articles and research papers if anyone is interested in actual science and not media hype or opinion.
Pete
Still don't think humans have a major impact on climate change?
I'm a skeptic at heart, so I've done a lot of reading that has really been an eye opener.
I originally subscribed to Scientific American magazine (www.sciam.com) for their articles on stem cell research and space sciences, but in the past few years there's been climate change articles in almost every issue.
Oh, BTW, volcanic eruptions and forest fires actually have the opposite effect on the temperature as greenhouse gases, by releasing microscopic particulates and cooling the atmosphere.
I've got a long list of articles and research papers if anyone is interested in actual science and not media hype or opinion.
Pete
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For those that didn't bother going to the other thread in the GAD forum.
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