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Old Jan 14, 2007 | 08:52 PM
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Smell smoke in reverse when loaded

I have a '99 F450 with 110,000 mi. Trans shifts great and everything seems normal except in reverse when attached to my trailer (18,000 lbs) I smell smoke when backing up. Especially when putting some strain on it. Unloaded it doesn't do this. I think there's a seal getting weak but I can't see where it would contact the hot exhaust pipe to cause smoke. Any ideas?
 
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Old Jan 14, 2007 | 08:55 PM
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Is the tranny overflow puking some out?
 
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Old Jan 14, 2007 | 09:00 PM
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You sure it's not the trailer brakes? Unless you have electric brakes... What kind of smoke does it smell like- diesel-oil???
 
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Old Jan 14, 2007 | 09:02 PM
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It sounds to me that the trans is overheating, Happened to my early 99 f350. It was fine going foward with and without a load, but in reverse under strain(backing uphill into a campsite), it slipped slightly and smelled like it was overheating. My trailer is 9200 lbs. Check trans fluid for burning, smell it and look close at the color. Whens the last time you serviced the tranny? When you service it do a tranny flush, that completely changes the fluid including the TC.
 
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Old Jan 14, 2007 | 09:02 PM
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If you have a floor shifter with manual locking hubs, leave the hubs unlocked, and shift the transfercase into 4lo. You will be in 2 lo, which takes off alot of stress in the reverse gear. Still easy to steer and keep control without torquring up the steering wheel. Since you have a 450 with most likely 4.88's, do not use 2lo in a forward gear, because that is way too much torque multiplication for one drive axle. It is OK to pull up to re-aim the trailer, but do not blip the throttle or "get unstuck" using 2 lo.
 
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Old Jan 14, 2007 | 09:06 PM
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Someone will be along here shortly to fully explain, but until then, I recall that our trannies do not like to move trailers/loads in reverse, worse yet backing them up a hill. Don't recall the exact reason, maybe something in the valving and pressure in there, but I seem to recall several people stating that they trashed their trannies backing loads up an incline. Hopefully someone will explain this.

Edit: OK, maybe folks who type faster and don't watch TV while they are trying to do that. Maybe it was overheating.
 

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Old Jan 14, 2007 | 09:12 PM
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LMAO, Tenn, I do that all the time
 
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Old Jan 14, 2007 | 09:16 PM
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Living up a steep hill on a Cul-be-sac, I get some inconsiderate neighbors that park in the road and I can't swing my camper around in the cul-de-sac. So I have to back my rig up the 300yd hill to get into my driveway. I puke some tranny fluid everytime. I've been told that it was normal...lot of strain for reverse. I'll try the 4 low next time.
 
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Old Jan 14, 2007 | 09:19 PM
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I have also noticed a burning smell, almost like gear lube when backing up our drive way even without a load (its pretty steep). Iv checked my trans fluid and it is full, pink and doesnt smell burnt.
 
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Old Jan 14, 2007 | 09:48 PM
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Wow, thanks for all the quick replies.

The smell seems like oil to me but trans fluid might smell the same. Also, I service my trans each year replacing the fluid and filter, and I drain the torque converter.

Where is the trans overflow located?
 
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Old Jan 15, 2007 | 01:34 AM
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Reverse

Hats off to low range for backing up, since my ESOF has been unrelaible lateley, I now have 2-low, and it seems to be much easier on the trans.
 
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Old Jan 15, 2007 | 09:57 AM
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Another vote for using low range. What I like about it is the low speed you can go without having to use the brakes or clutch. Very easy to make course corrections.
 
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Old Jan 15, 2007 | 07:57 PM
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Even though I have ESOF can I still use the Low? It will just be in 4low right? Of coarse no tight turns.
 
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Old Jan 15, 2007 | 09:05 PM
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Even with ESOF, as long as you don't have to make turns you should be ok.

The gear ratio is all wrong for backing up with a load. It's way too tall, causing stress and strain. Imagine trying to take off going forward, with a load, in second gear. It's not quite that bad in reverse, but you get the point. 4 Low helps a lot.
 
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