Throttle Issue
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Throttle Issue
Hello All and a pre thank you to anyone who can help me with this. I have a 2006 F-150 Lariat Supercrew, gas not diesel. I got it last April and have put 16K miles on it already with no complaints... until now. I drove out to Denver from Chicago for company business and was there for 10 weeks. (The truck was GREAT in all the snow they got... by the way!)
Last week, I was heading out of town to come home and as I approached a stop sign, this happened: I took my foot off the gas pedal and was coasting to a stop. There was an older Van if front of me and I applied the brake like any other time. This time however the truck accelerated forward and no matter how hard I applied the brake I wouldn't stop. Yes, I had my first accident with my new truck! The person whom I hit had an older van and it had already had been hit so was OK to leave things as they were and call it a day. Well, needless to say, I was very cautious for the rest of the drive home, all 1,100 miles, with no incident.
Two days ago, it happened again and if it wasn't that this time, I was quick to shift to neutral, I would have accident number 2. It was identical to the Denver incident where the truck didn't accelerate until I was applying the brake. When I put the truck in neutral, the RPM's were around 6,000. After tapping the gas pedal, the engine slowed and I could put it back in gear. I have it in the shop, and they can find nothing wrong with it.
The 2006 F-150 uses an electronic throttle not a throttle cable anymore so; it is probably an electronic issue. Has anyone heard of this before? What was the cause? I am nervous to drive it now because what happens if it is a pedestrian in front of me vs. a vehicle? Also, of course if there is something wrong, I would like to get the dealership to cover the damages. My concern is they will find a problem and not tell me they fixed it so they won't be responsible for the repairs.
Dave
Last week, I was heading out of town to come home and as I approached a stop sign, this happened: I took my foot off the gas pedal and was coasting to a stop. There was an older Van if front of me and I applied the brake like any other time. This time however the truck accelerated forward and no matter how hard I applied the brake I wouldn't stop. Yes, I had my first accident with my new truck! The person whom I hit had an older van and it had already had been hit so was OK to leave things as they were and call it a day. Well, needless to say, I was very cautious for the rest of the drive home, all 1,100 miles, with no incident.
Two days ago, it happened again and if it wasn't that this time, I was quick to shift to neutral, I would have accident number 2. It was identical to the Denver incident where the truck didn't accelerate until I was applying the brake. When I put the truck in neutral, the RPM's were around 6,000. After tapping the gas pedal, the engine slowed and I could put it back in gear. I have it in the shop, and they can find nothing wrong with it.
The 2006 F-150 uses an electronic throttle not a throttle cable anymore so; it is probably an electronic issue. Has anyone heard of this before? What was the cause? I am nervous to drive it now because what happens if it is a pedestrian in front of me vs. a vehicle? Also, of course if there is something wrong, I would like to get the dealership to cover the damages. My concern is they will find a problem and not tell me they fixed it so they won't be responsible for the repairs.
Dave
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wow..... glad to hear you are ok. when you find out what is wrong, let us know. i have the same setup, and this would be great to know ahead of time just in case. welcome to the boards, this site rocks, and you will find a lot of useful info from very helpful people !!
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Your throttle was sticking, and you were still driving it? Wow . . .
Here's some friendly advice from an attorney:
DO NOT DRIVE THE TRUCK AGAIN UNTIL THE PROBLEM IS FIXED!
If you hit someone, and it was discovered that you knew of the problem before the accident, you could have some serious liability issues.
Here's some friendly advice from an attorney:
DO NOT DRIVE THE TRUCK AGAIN UNTIL THE PROBLEM IS FIXED!
If you hit someone, and it was discovered that you knew of the problem before the accident, you could have some serious liability issues.
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Strobengh... Thanks for the advice! I dropped it off last night at 5:00 PM and by 9:00 AM today, they had thrown in the towel saying they couldn't find the problem. Of course, by then they had time to do all the chargable maintenence stuff that needed to be done! I told them to keep it a few days and keep checking that I wasn't interested in taking it yet. What if they ultimately say they can't find anything... I'll have to take it back at some point?
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Also, to clarify, it wasn't "sticking" per se. As I was driving it, it worked fine... speed up and slow down. Even the two times there was a problem, when I took my foot off the throttle, the vehicle would slow down and the RPM's were about 1 to 2K. The engine accelerated after the brake was depressed.
But, I will still heed your advice to not drive it!
But, I will still heed your advice to not drive it!
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Idealtrucks... I would agree with you but, I don't think I will get anywhere with Ford unless/until, the dealership can "Find" a problem. Thanks!
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At least go the NHTSA and log a complaint. This helps with any recalls that the manufacturer will be required if needed.
http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/portal/site...jAG!2136992754
http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/portal/site...jAG!2136992754
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Dave,
My `04 did this to me as well. For some reason I have a problem with the brake and gas pedal placement in this truck relative to my feet in the boots I normally wear. I had the exact thing happen twice to me (but no accident) but the third time I figured out that the edge of my boot was catching the gas pedal as I braked.
Hasn't happened to me since on the `04, or my new `07.
I have never had an issue with any of the other cars I've driven in my 23 years of driving. Don't know why it's such a problem in these trucks for me, but it is.
Doug
My `04 did this to me as well. For some reason I have a problem with the brake and gas pedal placement in this truck relative to my feet in the boots I normally wear. I had the exact thing happen twice to me (but no accident) but the third time I figured out that the edge of my boot was catching the gas pedal as I braked.
Hasn't happened to me since on the `04, or my new `07.
I have never had an issue with any of the other cars I've driven in my 23 years of driving. Don't know why it's such a problem in these trucks for me, but it is.
Doug
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Originally Posted by idealtrucks
The dealership shouldn't be responsible for damages anyway. Wouldn't that be Ford's responsibility?
After the first accident, if you could show that it was a defect of the truck that caused the accident both parties could sue Ford for their damages.
After the second accident, if you drove a truck that you knew was a danger, you could personally be sued for negligence . . . and if you tried to sue Ford, their defense would be "you knew there was a problem, why were you still driving it?" and that would probably be a winning defense for liability on the second accident.
Of course, all this depends on the judge, jury, and attorneys . . . but it's the likely outcome, and isn't worth the risk.
If you know of a problem that could endanger yourself or others, you have a duty to "mitigate damages." I.e. you have to tell someone about it so that things don't get worse.
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Thanks for the advice.
Strobengh,
Thanks for the advice. As of this morning, they say they still can't find a problem but also said that one of their techs has heard of the problem before but didn't hear of the fix. (Of course that now falls under hear/say.) My plan is to make them keep it for a couple of more days to see if they can get it to happen to them, while I start a dialog with Ford directly.
If they can't find the problem and stop paying for my loaner, I guess it will be time for me to get a lawyer involved to see what my options are. Thanks again!
Thanks for the advice. As of this morning, they say they still can't find a problem but also said that one of their techs has heard of the problem before but didn't hear of the fix. (Of course that now falls under hear/say.) My plan is to make them keep it for a couple of more days to see if they can get it to happen to them, while I start a dialog with Ford directly.
If they can't find the problem and stop paying for my loaner, I guess it will be time for me to get a lawyer involved to see what my options are. Thanks again!
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Originally Posted by MtDew4243
Strobengh,
Thanks for the advice. As of this morning, they say they still can't find a problem but also said that one of their techs has heard of the problem before but didn't hear of the fix. (Of course that now falls under hear/say.) My plan is to make them keep it for a couple of more days to see if they can get it to happen to them, while I start a dialog with Ford directly.
If they can't find the problem and stop paying for my loaner, I guess it will be time for me to get a lawyer involved to see what my options are. Thanks again!
Thanks for the advice. As of this morning, they say they still can't find a problem but also said that one of their techs has heard of the problem before but didn't hear of the fix. (Of course that now falls under hear/say.) My plan is to make them keep it for a couple of more days to see if they can get it to happen to them, while I start a dialog with Ford directly.
If they can't find the problem and stop paying for my loaner, I guess it will be time for me to get a lawyer involved to see what my options are. Thanks again!
I'm not your lawyer, so take this with a grain of salt, but if you've made a good faith effort to fix any problems, and make sure that the vehicle is safe, it's now Ford and the dealership whose necks are on the line.
So if they say the truck is safe, and you trust them, go ahead and drive it.
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Are you sure that you didn't partially have your foot on the brake peddle and when you pushed down you hit the gas peddle also. That happed to me when I first got my '06 XLT. After adusting the peddles to a different position I have not had the problem again.
I have done the same in my wifes Windstar... maybe it's just me.
I have done the same in my wifes Windstar... maybe it's just me.
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MtDew4243,
Were you wearing the same shoes/boots that you always were when driving? If not, you may have snagged the gas pedal when you were braking.
The placement of the brake and gas pedals are close....
I usually drive in bare feet, hey I'm a Florida boy. I have noticed, now that it's cold here and I have started wearing boots, I have snagged the gas pedal when braking a couple of times. Now I'm very aware of my foot placement on the brake pedal.
Were you wearing the same shoes/boots that you always were when driving? If not, you may have snagged the gas pedal when you were braking.
The placement of the brake and gas pedals are close....
I usually drive in bare feet, hey I'm a Florida boy. I have noticed, now that it's cold here and I have started wearing boots, I have snagged the gas pedal when braking a couple of times. Now I'm very aware of my foot placement on the brake pedal.
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