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Happy New Year 
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What tubing is long lasting for the Hydronic Radiant Heat Sytems ?
I have seen different brands.
Which is a good brand of boiler?
I thought of going with forced air for the heating / air conditioning, and was a bit on the pricey side.
.What tubing is long lasting for the Hydronic Radiant Heat Sytems ?
I have seen different brands.
Which is a good brand of boiler?
I thought of going with forced air for the heating / air conditioning, and was a bit on the pricey side.
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Originally Posted by 1975Ford
Happy New Year .
What tubing is long lasting for the Hydronic Radiant Heat Sytems ?
I have seen different brands.
Which is a good brand of boiler?
I thought of going with forced air for the heating / air conditioning, and was a bit on the pricey side.
.What tubing is long lasting for the Hydronic Radiant Heat Sytems ?
I have seen different brands.
Which is a good brand of boiler?
I thought of going with forced air for the heating / air conditioning, and was a bit on the pricey side.
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with the PEX, you can do Red for hot water and blue for cold, that way whenever you run across a pipe in the wall during construction or renovation, you'll always know what's in it. They also have a white / neural color if you want to do everything the same.
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It seems there are different model of PEX tubing.
The different color tubing make sense as mentioned.
When laying down ICF's, the footing (Footers) cannot be off 1/4" of each other.
I decided to go with the 6" internal width ICF's.
The different color tubing make sense as mentioned.
When laying down ICF's, the footing (Footers) cannot be off 1/4" of each other.
I decided to go with the 6" internal width ICF's.
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We make the polysteel forms at work, and yes they are more expensive initially. The money you save on heating and cooling should easily make up for the higher cost. The're also very sturdy stuctures, as contractors are using alot of them for houses in hurricane areas. We dont make it here, but there is a product I beleive is called waffle grid that is meant for floors, and can be used with radiant heat floors.
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A few ICF resources:
http://www.eco-block.com/
http://www.integraspec.com/frame.html
http://hem.dis.anl.gov/eehem/98/980712.html
http://www.risingeagle.com/icf.html
http://www.mrm1.com/ICF's%20in%20a%20nutshell.htm
http://www.premereforms.com/index.htm
http://oikos.com/products/category2.lasso?cat=100
http://www.quadlock.com/
http://www.pbf.org/
http://www.cement.org/homes/
http://www.eco-block.com/
http://www.integraspec.com/frame.html
http://hem.dis.anl.gov/eehem/98/980712.html
http://www.risingeagle.com/icf.html
http://www.mrm1.com/ICF's%20in%20a%20nutshell.htm
http://www.premereforms.com/index.htm
http://oikos.com/products/category2.lasso?cat=100
http://www.quadlock.com/
http://www.pbf.org/
http://www.cement.org/homes/
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chrono4 & mblayton, you mention cost savings with ICF's, would you know how long the cost savings would be to recoup the added cost of ICF construction.
Torque1st, thanks for the links, found this in one of the links and list other ICF companies http://www.pbf.org/archive/ICF%20comp%20chart.pdf
Two Questions.
I am planning on using ICF's on the exterior portion of the house only.
Just wondering if anyone knows what the cost ratio difference, stick (lumber, insulation, electrical, etc...) vs Insulated Concrete Forms (ICF's, Bracing, concrete, electrical, etc...) would be for a 202' perimeter rectangular shaped house with 8 foot walls?
Approxiamately how much rebar would be needed for this 202' perimeter rectangular shaped house with 8 foot walls?
PS: The interior portion is going stick built.
Torque1st, thanks for the links, found this in one of the links and list other ICF companies http://www.pbf.org/archive/ICF%20comp%20chart.pdf
Two Questions.
I am planning on using ICF's on the exterior portion of the house only.
Just wondering if anyone knows what the cost ratio difference, stick (lumber, insulation, electrical, etc...) vs Insulated Concrete Forms (ICF's, Bracing, concrete, electrical, etc...) would be for a 202' perimeter rectangular shaped house with 8 foot walls?
Approxiamately how much rebar would be needed for this 202' perimeter rectangular shaped house with 8 foot walls?
PS: The interior portion is going stick built.
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Originally Posted by 1975Ford
chrono4 & mblayton, you mention cost savings with ICF's, would you know how long the cost savings would be to recoup the added cost of ICF construction.
Torque1st, thanks for the links, found this in one of the links and list other ICF companies http://www.pbf.org/archive/ICF%20comp%20chart.pdf
Two Questions.
I am planning on using ICF's on the exterior portion of the house only.
Just wondering if anyone knows what the cost ratio difference, stick (lumber, insulation, electrical, etc...) vs Insulated Concrete Forms (ICF's, Bracing, concrete, electrical, etc...) would be for a 202' perimeter rectangular shaped house with 8 foot walls?
Approxiamately how much rebar would be needed for this 202' perimeter rectangular shaped house with 8 foot walls?
PS: The interior portion is going stick built.
Torque1st, thanks for the links, found this in one of the links and list other ICF companies http://www.pbf.org/archive/ICF%20comp%20chart.pdf
Two Questions.
I am planning on using ICF's on the exterior portion of the house only.
Just wondering if anyone knows what the cost ratio difference, stick (lumber, insulation, electrical, etc...) vs Insulated Concrete Forms (ICF's, Bracing, concrete, electrical, etc...) would be for a 202' perimeter rectangular shaped house with 8 foot walls?
Approxiamately how much rebar would be needed for this 202' perimeter rectangular shaped house with 8 foot walls?
PS: The interior portion is going stick built.
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Here is a handy material estimator http://www.a-1form.com/html/estimator.html, I'm running my own numbers to verify if the estimator is accurate.
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Where can I find a good rebar bender and rebar cutter? Or should I rent one?
How do I hold up the rebar up during the stem wall pour?
mblayton, are you planning on doing the ICF setup yourself?
It does seem like lots of rebar and (door and window) bucks?
It did mention that the outside perimeter will need stucco mesh and larger head screws.
How do I hold up the rebar up during the stem wall pour?
mblayton, are you planning on doing the ICF setup yourself?
It does seem like lots of rebar and (door and window) bucks?
It did mention that the outside perimeter will need stucco mesh and larger head screws.
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My neighbor behind me just started construction using this system.
Kind of freaking me out........I'm digging the R value (even though at R23 in my 6" stick walls I've only used my furnace 4 or 5 times in 2 years....A/C is a different story)but don't you have to do an inner stick frame for romex/receptacles, central vac etc..?
The other thing is the one coat of stucco over the foam.........I used a 3 coat (last coat synthetic) over lathe with foam trim, the trim/foam is so fragile!!!
I'll be watching this project and learning as it goes.
Kind of freaking me out........I'm digging the R value (even though at R23 in my 6" stick walls I've only used my furnace 4 or 5 times in 2 years....A/C is a different story)but don't you have to do an inner stick frame for romex/receptacles, central vac etc..?
The other thing is the one coat of stucco over the foam.........I used a 3 coat (last coat synthetic) over lathe with foam trim, the trim/foam is so fragile!!!
I'll be watching this project and learning as it goes.
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Originally Posted by 1975Ford
Where can I find a good rebar bender and rebar cutter? Or should I rent one?
How do I hold up the rebar up during the stem wall pour?
mblayton, are you planning on doing the ICF setup yourself?
It does seem like lots of rebar and (door and window) bucks?
It did mention that the outside perimeter will need stucco mesh and larger head screws.
How do I hold up the rebar up during the stem wall pour?
mblayton, are you planning on doing the ICF setup yourself?
It does seem like lots of rebar and (door and window) bucks?
It did mention that the outside perimeter will need stucco mesh and larger head screws.
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We will be waiting to hear the scoop on this whole system.
Toyman, pm is in. Can't wait to see the pictures.
I doing some research too, I have e-mails to an abbundant ICF headquarters, branches, and local distributors. The e-mails and Phone calls are flying back and forth, I will need to sort thru all the mails, notes, and brochures and website. I also got an appointment to visit on-site Amvic ICF construction.
There is some other good brands of ICF's.
It seems everyone joining in the ICF boom construction. Found a website where they were trying to sell the patent to their ICF design and construction.
Does anyone have any answers to the previous questions?
I greatly appreciate all the information.
Toyman, pm is in. Can't wait to see the pictures.
I doing some research too, I have e-mails to an abbundant ICF headquarters, branches, and local distributors. The e-mails and Phone calls are flying back and forth, I will need to sort thru all the mails, notes, and brochures and website. I also got an appointment to visit on-site Amvic ICF construction.
There is some other good brands of ICF's.
It seems everyone joining in the ICF boom construction. Found a website where they were trying to sell the patent to their ICF design and construction.
Does anyone have any answers to the previous questions?
I greatly appreciate all the information.
