Kerosene, hmmm
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From: Jasper, MO
Originally Posted by Tenn01PSD350
it costs more to make gasoline than diesel.
Our nation is at a point now where, largely due to high truck volume and mileage, we use more diesel than gasoline. Gasoline is actually a cast-off waste of manufacturing diesel. so IF (for simplicity of example) you produce 1,000,000 gallons of Diesel, you (again, figuratively) wind up with 1,000,000 gallons of GAS. but you will SELL out of the diesel faster, since most CARS and PICKUPS us MUCH LESS fuel per week than the average tractor trailer.
On a 3000 mile average week in my big truck I use approximately 500 gallons.
That's about a 25:1 ratio over the average commuter in a 4 wheeler. Yet there of the 400m registered vehicles in this country, a THIRD are commercial vehicles, construction equip, etc...The latest figures I heard were 25 million truckers in this country. that would mean there is a 16:1 ratio of cars to trucks. those two ratios hardly cancel each other out... if anything else, it shows a much LARGER amount of Diesel going out on the average.
Because of the larger demand for diesel, the supply of gas is greater than the demand, so the price of gas goes down.
OK I'm gonna go lay down. My head hurts from thinking so much.....
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mrfixit64857- my head kind of hurt reading/following your response but i liked the way you explained it.
I got a question for you, so I see you are a commercial trucker and wonder why you or other truckers don't use biodiesel? I understand if cold weather is the problem but if you use 500gals a week you could help out the USA farmers and pollute less. Just wondering, is it federal regulations or cost or what?
Thanks
I got a question for you, so I see you are a commercial trucker and wonder why you or other truckers don't use biodiesel? I understand if cold weather is the problem but if you use 500gals a week you could help out the USA farmers and pollute less. Just wondering, is it federal regulations or cost or what?
Thanks
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dollars and convienece {which is dollars but in a different format}
make bio cheaper and way more readily available and truckers will beat a path to the fuel pit.
at 100 gallons a day in the little truck, 25 cents a gallon means 25.00 dollars more times 200 days average a year..... you can do the math
make bio cheaper and way more readily available and truckers will beat a path to the fuel pit.
at 100 gallons a day in the little truck, 25 cents a gallon means 25.00 dollars more times 200 days average a year..... you can do the math
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Originally Posted by adambomb
I got a question for you, so I see you are a commercial trucker and wonder why you or other truckers don't use biodiesel? Thanks
Another HUGE obstacle is that many drivers are "locked" into the truckstops they use by their companies. Flyin' J, PILOT, and TA as well as PETRO and others. To my knowledge, they don't carry BD yet. Add to this the lack of understanding of fleet managers, etc etc etc. Tis a long row to hoe.
As for OUR trucks, we DO run it when we can get it.
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Originally Posted by Flywest
I'm no expert in fuels and maybe theres differences in spec between our nations when it comes to refining - I wouldn't know! (Heck we don't even use the same names for fuels!)
That said, in a past life I used to run fleets of vehicles (Gas & Diesel) for graders, loaders, dozers, and 4wd trucks, as well as light duty 4wd pickups and so on as well as a fleet of 5 aircraft (largely piper cubs) for the govt...and the occasional helicopter etc.
I'd buyt in supplies of Petroleum distillate (what you call gas) and diesel (summer & winter) and Kerosene (for lighting fires) and avgas for the planes and Jet A1 for the choppers!
As I was lead to understand, Aviation fuel is more highly refined and a higher octane level than standard petroleum distillate!
These days it is all RON fiigures etc which I don't underastand at all!
What I do know is that in the good ol days - i thought our leaded super grade petroleum distillate - was I think 96 octane? - while standard grade was 92???
I was lead to believe the avgas was ~100 Octane but that within 12 months it degraded to 98 or less?
Anyway an old colleague who was a collector of the Aussie Ford 1972 GTHO Phase 3 Shaker 351 vehicles (he had 3) as well as a 1971 428 cobrajet mustang - and finally a 1971 Ford Dragster with a 460 Bog block ford v8...used to buy up from the local airstrip any 'out of date' avgas and Jet A1? he could get his hands on to blend with super grade petroleum distillate because he had the heads shaved down and modified camshafts etc in these 351 and 428 & 460 ford v8 engines and they ran better on the higher octane rating fuel!
We always got two grades of Kerosene, the "white" & "blue" and ONE of them was a heating grade Kerosine and the other - power kerosine!
I also happened to own an old Massey Tractor for the ww2 era that was originally built to run on Power kerosine!
i don't see why you couldn't probably run on some or another form of kerosine or a kero blend - but there are far better educated / experienced industrial chemists and fuel experts who probably know a reason why not too in todays modern engines with fancy materials for seals etc.
It'll be interesting to see what the eventual consensus is!
Cheers!
That said, in a past life I used to run fleets of vehicles (Gas & Diesel) for graders, loaders, dozers, and 4wd trucks, as well as light duty 4wd pickups and so on as well as a fleet of 5 aircraft (largely piper cubs) for the govt...and the occasional helicopter etc.
I'd buyt in supplies of Petroleum distillate (what you call gas) and diesel (summer & winter) and Kerosene (for lighting fires) and avgas for the planes and Jet A1 for the choppers!
As I was lead to understand, Aviation fuel is more highly refined and a higher octane level than standard petroleum distillate!
These days it is all RON fiigures etc which I don't underastand at all!
What I do know is that in the good ol days - i thought our leaded super grade petroleum distillate - was I think 96 octane? - while standard grade was 92???
I was lead to believe the avgas was ~100 Octane but that within 12 months it degraded to 98 or less?
Anyway an old colleague who was a collector of the Aussie Ford 1972 GTHO Phase 3 Shaker 351 vehicles (he had 3) as well as a 1971 428 cobrajet mustang - and finally a 1971 Ford Dragster with a 460 Bog block ford v8...used to buy up from the local airstrip any 'out of date' avgas and Jet A1? he could get his hands on to blend with super grade petroleum distillate because he had the heads shaved down and modified camshafts etc in these 351 and 428 & 460 ford v8 engines and they ran better on the higher octane rating fuel!
We always got two grades of Kerosene, the "white" & "blue" and ONE of them was a heating grade Kerosine and the other - power kerosine!
I also happened to own an old Massey Tractor for the ww2 era that was originally built to run on Power kerosine!
i don't see why you couldn't probably run on some or another form of kerosine or a kero blend - but there are far better educated / experienced industrial chemists and fuel experts who probably know a reason why not too in todays modern engines with fancy materials for seals etc.
It'll be interesting to see what the eventual consensus is!
Cheers!
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simply put, my opinion on the whole mess is this: If our emissions were ruining the environment, why on god's green earth do we have to continually see the Highway Crews Mowing the grass and trimming back the trees in the medians? Why do we have to still scrape even MORE bugs off the windshields? and why hasn't Al Gore committed suicide???
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Originally Posted by mrfixit64857
Well... not exactly...but once upon a time you were right.
Gasoline is actually a cast-off waste of manufacturing diesel. so IF (for simplicity of example) you produce 1,000,000 gallons of Diesel, you (again, figuratively) wind up with 1,000,000 gallons of GAS. but you will SELL out of the diesel faster, since most CARS and PICKUPS us MUCH LESS fuel per week than the average tractor trailer.
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Gasoline is actually a cast-off waste of manufacturing diesel. so IF (for simplicity of example) you produce 1,000,000 gallons of Diesel, you (again, figuratively) wind up with 1,000,000 gallons of GAS. but you will SELL out of the diesel faster, since most CARS and PICKUPS us MUCH LESS fuel per week than the average tractor trailer.
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Certainly the market responds to what the market will bear thus you may be correct. My version would produce a surplus of diesel however as you have pointed out, that will not be the case as more diesel is used in this country. I will have to research this. In the meantime, me and the little lady take the F150 on any kind of real road trip.
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I wasn't attempting to display any real knowledge about the refining process, and that's why I used simple exampless...what else would come from a simple mind? LOL..
again, i was just illustrating my own rationalization, and my limited understanding of the business.
Where you and the missus spending christmas?
again, i was just illustrating my own rationalization, and my limited understanding of the business.
Where you and the missus spending christmas?
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Originally Posted by mrfixit64857
Where you and the missus spending christmas?
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Tenn I think (operative word) you're right. At least I know you're right about it being higher up the production chain. If sludge is the bottom and high octane gas is the other end, diesel sits halfway. Kerosene is right next to it.
However, I think there's different processes to make the stuff. Thermal cracking for gas and hydrocracking for diesel. Now that I've expended virtually everything I know about refining . . .
I had a conversation with a guy at a local distributorship today and ran it past him and fessed outright I didnt know the answers and was looking for anything he knew. He said they're so close to each other there's almost no difference anymore except additives. That part I'm not sure I believe. If its true, the kerosene quality is great and the diesel quality is trash. Oh, wait. Mebbe he's on to something.
His spin was you get a zillion gallons in on a national pipeline and its basically fuel oil. Someone wants diesel, you fill a tank, test it to comply all the specifics, tweak it with additives as needed, test, when it passes, you send it out. He claimed the difference between what we buy as diesel and what the airport gets is all a little time and additives.
I'm a little skeptical there. Wish it had been face to face so I could check his teeth count.
Well, happy holidays. I'm sure this query will have me all over the internet this weekend trying to learn everything I can. Until then, truck runs great and nothing went boom today.
However, I think there's different processes to make the stuff. Thermal cracking for gas and hydrocracking for diesel. Now that I've expended virtually everything I know about refining . . .
I had a conversation with a guy at a local distributorship today and ran it past him and fessed outright I didnt know the answers and was looking for anything he knew. He said they're so close to each other there's almost no difference anymore except additives. That part I'm not sure I believe. If its true, the kerosene quality is great and the diesel quality is trash. Oh, wait. Mebbe he's on to something.
His spin was you get a zillion gallons in on a national pipeline and its basically fuel oil. Someone wants diesel, you fill a tank, test it to comply all the specifics, tweak it with additives as needed, test, when it passes, you send it out. He claimed the difference between what we buy as diesel and what the airport gets is all a little time and additives.
I'm a little skeptical there. Wish it had been face to face so I could check his teeth count.
Well, happy holidays. I'm sure this query will have me all over the internet this weekend trying to learn everything I can. Until then, truck runs great and nothing went boom today.
