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Old Dec 21, 2006 | 07:29 AM
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Why waste all your good money on all this junk! Just buy good #2 Diesel and enjoy
The owners manuel, (for all of you who like to read directions and didnt bother to read this one) says no fuel additive are reguired and may actually damage the engine under certain conditions.
 
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Old Dec 21, 2006 | 09:02 AM
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Guess you didn't bother to read the Ford Broadcast Message that was issue some ago. It has been posted many times here.
 
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Old Dec 21, 2006 | 12:09 PM
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Cetane Boost ???

I've heard many things on this topic except what the "cetane boost" is actually supposed to do. Anyone care to elaborate in more detail?
 
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Old Dec 21, 2006 | 12:57 PM
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A very quick google gets the following links:

http://yarchive.net/car/cetane_number.html

http://www.mobil.com/USA-English/GFM..._Fuels_FAQ.asp
 
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Old Dec 21, 2006 | 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by rsauve
Why waste all your good money on all this junk! Just buy good #2 Diesel and enjoy
The owners manuel, (for all of you who like to read directions and didnt bother to read this one) says no fuel additive are reguired and may actually damage the engine under certain conditions.
The manual and Ford's TSB's and Broadcast messages get updated daily, weekly, monthly.... as needed. With only 77 posts... boy you posted a pretty "hard" reply/post which is clearly wrong and inaccurate... and can be proven inaccurate!!!

So what do you say about these Broadcast updates from Ford to their dealers??

Coking (carbon) Deposits in Turbo and/or EGR Valve:
Coking deposits are usually a build up of unburned fuel or oil in the exhaust system and related components (valves, turbo, EGR valve). This can be caused by poor fuel quality, overfueling/leaking injectors, idling for excessive periods of time (especially in cold ambient temperatures), low engine operating temperatures, injection timing (calibration) or oil consumption. Unburned fuel usually appears as white smoke, but over time the coking condition can result in excessive black smoke. Coking depositis can plug the EBP sensor tube, foul the EBP sensor, cause the EGR valve to stick open, block the EGR cooler, plug the MAP (boost) sensor hose, or cause the variable turbo vanes to stick open (no power/boost) or closed (excessive backpressure, black smoke, popping noise, bucking). The cause of the coking issue should be identified before replacing parts to prevent reoccurance. If poor fuel is suspected, use Stanadyne Performance or Motorcraft PM-17-A Cetane Boost. TSB 06-4-12, 06-23-16.

Cold Temperature Lack of Power, Poor Economy, Hard Start, Excessive White Smoke, or Coking (carboning) of Turbo, EGR System or EBP:This could be due to gelling of the fuel, formation of ice in the fuel tanks or lines or poor fuel quality. If diagnosis finds no cause for the above symptoms, try using a fuel conditioner, such as Stanadyne Performance Formula or equivalent, such as Motorcraft PM-17-A or -B (cetane boost), or PM-18-A or -B (anti-gell/cetane boost), that will improve the cetane level and lower the gell point of the fuel. Do not use any product containing alcohol. If the conditions improve with the additive, then find another fuel source or continue to treat the fuel. Broadcast Message 1309, 1464, 5113; SSM #17406.

Guess you better read your manual where it states that Ford reserves the right to update, ammend and change specifications and details at any time without notice.... or did you skip that part... or just ignore it before you posted?

This is why many of us visit FTE, visit other forums, search the web and develop a relationship with our local dealer diesel techs... all in the name of staying up to date and informed.... which I trust you are now "informed"... so if you want or feel the need to use any additives (non-alcohol)... then you can rest assured you can with safety and security.
 
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Old Dec 21, 2006 | 08:42 PM
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Originally Posted by rsauve
Why waste all your good money on all this junk! Just buy good #2 Diesel and enjoy
The owners manuel, (for all of you who like to read directions and didnt bother to read this one) says no fuel additive are reguired and may actually damage the engine under certain conditions.
I think rsauve said the key word "good #2 diesel"
 
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Old Dec 21, 2006 | 09:20 PM
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Originally Posted by eb2006
I use DieselKleen on a regular basis so I wasn't expecting to see any water to come out of my HFCM (in which I didn't)


Fellas this is from a guy with 27 posts, so we are reaching some of the masses. He was even able to change the fuel filters and installed the new IH drain plug with what was available in the tech folder. Glad it is back up. Glad some are making good use of it.
 
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Old Dec 21, 2006 | 09:25 PM
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And what do you consider good? Some states do not mandate / have good # 2 diesel. A standard of 40 is the highest in some areas. The national average is 44 as I recall.

I have read, but, don't have the link at my finger tips, that the 6.0 was designed for a minimun cetane rating of 46. Or was it 47? Regardless, this cetane value is not available everywhere.

In any case, if someone wants to waste their good money...I suspect it is their prerogative to do so. Consider it insurance. Maybe it will sit better.
 
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Old Dec 21, 2006 | 09:57 PM
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OK, been reading up tonight on cetane numers and fuel additives. Now wondering in the state of Washington, what I might expect to find in the way of cetane #'s at the pump. Been reading all the hits when I've googled centane boosters and have come up with Motorcrafts PM-17-A as the best price I have seen. Anyone here using that product?
 
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Old Dec 21, 2006 | 10:58 PM
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Originally Posted by mrxlh
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Fellas this is from a guy with 27 posts, so we are reaching some of the masses. He was even able to change the fuel filters and installed the new IH drain plug with what was available in the tech folder. Glad it is back up. Glad some are making good use of it.
Just to be fair to him... he has 77 posts, not 27.
 
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Old Dec 22, 2006 | 07:03 AM
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Originally Posted by kw5413
And what do you consider good? Some states do not mandate / have good # 2 diesel. A standard of 40 is the highest in some areas. The national average is 44 as I recall.

I have read, but, don't have the link at my finger tips, that the 6.0 was designed for a minimun cetane rating of 46. Or was it 47? Regardless, this cetane value is not available everywhere.

In any case, if someone wants to waste their good money...I suspect it is their prerogative to do so. Consider it insurance. Maybe it will sit better.
If there isn't any "Good" diesel available for the 6.0 then this engine is a very bad design. Nuff said!
 
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Old Dec 22, 2006 | 08:12 AM
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After reading everyones input and advice, I can see the value of using cetane booster
but as I stated earlier if you are using a known good source of #2 Diesel you probably wont gain much bennefit. if it brings a since of well being by using it, then to each there own. I would definatly use the anti-gel if i lived in a very cold climate.
Thanks for the advice I quess we all get educated or educate each other at times.
 
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Old Dec 22, 2006 | 08:26 AM
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Even if the cetane boost isn't the primary objective. The additional lubricity and water dispersement properties provides added value. I never had any evidence of water in fuel in my 6.0.
 
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Old Dec 22, 2006 | 08:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Troy Buenger
If there isn't any "Good" diesel available for the 6.0 then this engine is a very bad design. Nuff said!
I never stated that there wasn't any good fuel available. In fact, in the 9 county North Texas Area the state / EPA mandates a minimum cetane rating of 48.

For information on any state diesel requirements go to the following link. Scroll to the bottom and select your state. Some have mandated cetane values and some don't.

http://www.npra.org/issues/fuels/state_bb/

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Old Dec 22, 2006 | 11:13 AM
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Tha's a great link! I checked my state (Kansas) and they don't list cetane requirment but do say that all diesel fuel must conatain at least 2% Biodiesel and all gas shall contain 9.2-10% denatured ethanol by 1/1/10. Some good inforamtion on that web site.
 
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