PINOUT issue - Ford removed a wire! Can't program using FLashpaq
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From: Great State of Texas
Originally Posted by JohnnyAirtime
....and altering a vehicle in a way not designed, is an illegal act. I'd own something of your's...
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From: Sunny San Diego
Originally Posted by kw5413
Uh...ummm....Isn't that exactly what a programmer does?
(...altering a vehicle in a way not designed)
But do you see dealers putting lift kits on without customer consent or knowledge?!
Plus, I own my vehicle outright... That complicates the issue as well.
... come on, you can come at me better than that.
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Last edited by JohnnyAirtime; Dec 15, 2006 at 05:32 PM.
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From: SLC, UT
Originally Posted by CanadaGuy
You're lucky it wasn't me... I never do anything that obvious when I disable the PCMs flash capability 
... But then again I only do it to those that deny using programmers...
... But then again I only do it to those that deny using programmers...
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I don't use a tuner so this would never be an issue for me but...I would have an issue if someone that worked at the dealership where I have my truck serviced intentionally broke something, whatever the part is.
I am a firm believer in "if you play you pay" so if a tuner caused a turbo failure or whatever then the customer should be made to pay.
I am not making excuses for using a tuner, if it caused a part failure then prove it and make the customer pay BUT...
To anybody out there...If in fact an employee of the dealership did pull this wire without a legitimate reason dosen't anyone see the moral or ethical issues with this let alone the possible legal issues? (though we don't talk law on FTE).
If a tech would do this then why would they not put a slow leak in a tire to make it go flat, thus needing a new tire? or leave you a quart low so you think you have a leak and bring it in? Where would these "Minor" things stop? Not replacing brake pads when they are obviously bad and someone gets killed?
Just asking where your moral and ethical compas is pointing...
I am a firm believer in "if you play you pay" so if a tuner caused a turbo failure or whatever then the customer should be made to pay.
I am not making excuses for using a tuner, if it caused a part failure then prove it and make the customer pay BUT...
To anybody out there...If in fact an employee of the dealership did pull this wire without a legitimate reason dosen't anyone see the moral or ethical issues with this let alone the possible legal issues? (though we don't talk law on FTE).
If a tech would do this then why would they not put a slow leak in a tire to make it go flat, thus needing a new tire? or leave you a quart low so you think you have a leak and bring it in? Where would these "Minor" things stop? Not replacing brake pads when they are obviously bad and someone gets killed?
Just asking where your moral and ethical compas is pointing...
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From: Great State of Texas
This thread is very predictive. I'm gonna have to lock it pretty soon. I'd bet mrxlh's $ 5.00 that keeps floating around here.
First...I like mods and think that if ya wanta do it then... git "r" done...But, if your so proud of it why rip off Ford and the tech by lying about it. In many cases, the tech spends non-paid hours working though an issue that may have taken significantly less time if he knew off the modification. In this case, a programmer.
Personally, I would be pretty upset (as most people would) if I got paid 4 hours for a job that took 8 hours because someone didn't have the B. A. double "els" to tell me up front what was going on.
Not condoning sabotage BTW...but I don't condone lying and stealing either.
First...I like mods and think that if ya wanta do it then... git "r" done...But, if your so proud of it why rip off Ford and the tech by lying about it. In many cases, the tech spends non-paid hours working though an issue that may have taken significantly less time if he knew off the modification. In this case, a programmer.
Personally, I would be pretty upset (as most people would) if I got paid 4 hours for a job that took 8 hours because someone didn't have the B. A. double "els" to tell me up front what was going on.
Not condoning sabotage BTW...but I don't condone lying and stealing either.
Last edited by kw5413; Dec 15, 2006 at 06:07 PM.
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From: Bossier City, LA
Originally Posted by CAFordDude
I don't use a tuner so this would never be an issue for me but...I would have an issue if someone that worked at the dealership where I have my truck serviced intentionally broke something, whatever the part is.
I am a firm believer in "if you play you pay" so if a tuner caused a turbo failure or whatever then the customer should be made to pay.
I am not making excuses for using a tuner, if it caused a part failure then prove it and make the customer pay BUT...
To anybody out there...If in fact an employee of the dealership did pull this wire without a legitimate reason dosen't anyone see the moral or ethical issues with this let alone the possible legal issues? (though we don't talk law on FTE).
If a tech would do this then why would they not put a slow leak in a tire to make it go flat, thus needing a new tire? or leave you a quart low so you think you have a leak and bring it in? Where would these "Minor" things stop? Not replacing brake pads when they are obviously bad and someone gets killed?
Just asking where your moral and ethical compas is pointing...
I am a firm believer in "if you play you pay" so if a tuner caused a turbo failure or whatever then the customer should be made to pay.
I am not making excuses for using a tuner, if it caused a part failure then prove it and make the customer pay BUT...
To anybody out there...If in fact an employee of the dealership did pull this wire without a legitimate reason dosen't anyone see the moral or ethical issues with this let alone the possible legal issues? (though we don't talk law on FTE).
If a tech would do this then why would they not put a slow leak in a tire to make it go flat, thus needing a new tire? or leave you a quart low so you think you have a leak and bring it in? Where would these "Minor" things stop? Not replacing brake pads when they are obviously bad and someone gets killed?
Just asking where your moral and ethical compas is pointing...
That said, first thing I would do before I ever drove it home is have the new studs put in and oring the heads, Delete the cat, add an exhaust, sct/xcal custom tune and a digital monitor, I would even let Ford do the work.
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Originally Posted by kw5413
This thread is very predictive. I'm gonna have to lock it pretty soon .
I rarely come to FTE to gain support or broaden my knowledge... I find better info (and a warmer welcome) on DieselStop.
Originally Posted by kw5413
In many cases, the tech spends non-paid hours working though an issue that may have taken significantly less time if he knew off the modification. In this case, a programmer.
Personally, I would be pretty upset (as most people would) if I got paid 4 hours for a job that took 8 hours because someone didn't have the B. A. double "els" to tell me up front what was going on.
Personally, I would be pretty upset (as most people would) if I got paid 4 hours for a job that took 8 hours because someone didn't have the B. A. double "els" to tell me up front what was going on.
Bottom line is they shouldn't be altering my vehicle.
If I took this vehicle in for service elsewhere in the middle of BFE, and they didn't know about the wire being taped out of sight.... how long would they look at it and scratch their head before a phone call was made?!
...and what the tech makes, and gets paid for isn't my issue. So why should I be dealing with it? ... I'm not the person he needs to be upset with no matter what he encounters.
No reason to do it... even if I was a blatant liar. It doesn't warrant the alteration to my vehicle - PERIOD.
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Last edited by JohnnyAirtime; Dec 15, 2006 at 06:16 PM.
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From: Sunny SOCAL!
Originally Posted by kw5413
First...I like mods and think that if ya wanta do it then... git "r" done...But, if your so proud of it why rip off Ford and the tech by lying about it. In many cases, the tech spends non-paid hours working though an issue that may have taken significantly less time if he knew off the modification. In this case, a programmer.
Personally, I would be pretty upset (as most people would) if I got paid 4 hours for a job that took 8 hours because someone didn't have the B. A. double "els" to tell me up front what was going on.
Not condoning sabotage BTW...but I don't condone lying and stealing either.
Personally, I would be pretty upset (as most people would) if I got paid 4 hours for a job that took 8 hours because someone didn't have the B. A. double "els" to tell me up front what was going on.
Not condoning sabotage BTW...but I don't condone lying and stealing either.
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Whoa... I see that little got blown WAY out of proportion... I'm sorry that some of you take things a tad too personally...
I was however poking fun at the tech. that tried to do that... why not just leave a note on the passenger seat saying what he did... I'm glad I got this in before it got locked...
got blown WAY out of proportion... I'm sorry that some of you take things a tad too personally... I was however poking fun at the tech. that tried to do that... why not just leave a note on the passenger seat saying what he did... I'm glad I got this in before it got locked...
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From: Great State of Texas
Originally Posted by JohnnyAirtime
Not a surprise...
I rarely come to FTE to gain support or broaden my knowledge... I find better info (and a warmer welcome) on DieselStop.
I rarely come to FTE to gain support or broaden my knowledge... I find better info (and a warmer welcome) on DieselStop.
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From: Great State of Texas
Originally Posted by JohnnyAirtime
Bottom line is they shouldn't be altering my vehicle....
....No reason to do it... even if I was a blatant liar. It doesn't warrant the alteration to my vehicle - PERIOD.
....No reason to do it... even if I was a blatant liar. It doesn't warrant the alteration to my vehicle - PERIOD.