Well first off i want to thank those members in this chapter who helped me along with some great advice and valuable info, thanks guys, also i should have my bronco on the road by midweek next week. hoo-rah!! After careful consideration i decided to take out my 460, as it didn't have any of the holes in the heads for the air rail/pump etc, which would mean trying to find the right heads w/that feature and fitting them on, then locating the tangle of emission equipment needed for a '79 460 to make it compliant with that year, and seeing as i can't put in a newer 460efi due to cali laws, i decided to go with the 351w efi. I found a '93 351efi with only 60k on it and 175compression for $750, it comes with the injection system and mainifold, the computer and all wiring harnesses, i also had to get a new c6 tranny as the one i have is for a bigblock and won't fit the 351(unless someone knows of some sort of coupler i'm unaware of) well i got a c6 smallblock tranny with only 15k on it for $350 with the complete driveline and yolk, now i've just gotta bolt all this metal, hope it fits okay, probably have to get new motor mounts and u-joints, and maybe even a new radiator and power steering pump to match the new motor, and a painless wiring harness and some new gauges, so cross your fingers for me and we'll see how it goes, on the bright side i should go from 10mpg to the teens!! which in cali is a blessing, thanks again for everyones advice, jimmy

 

You can't put a newer 460 EFI in, but you can put a newer 351w EFI in? You got a good deal on those parts though.

 

yeah silly cali laws say i can't put in the newer 460efi becasue it wasn't offered in my year bronco in '79, also because the 460 is from a heavy duty truck and my fullsize bronco is considered light duty cali laws won't allow it because of smog exhaust differences, so the 351efi will work as long it is smog compliant per that year, and because the 351 was an option for the '79 bronco, stupid bueracracy, ah well anyone wanna buy a rebuilt .030 over 460 and bigblock c6 tranny also rebuilt with less than 10k on it??

 

Hmm.... Put the 351 in it, take it down and get it smogged, then yank the 351, and drop in the 460/C6 combo.....)

 

Yeah i thought about doing that, it's just a lot of work/swapping to get my 460/bigblockc6 back in after taking it out and then putting the 351/smallblockc6 back in when i have to smog it again, besides with the gas money i'll save on the 351efi, i can start rebuilding my 460 to produce 750hp!! good winter project, and then i'll put the whopper of a 460 back in and start digging trenches in the mud!!

 

Haha... do they realize that they 351 offered in the Bronco in 1979 was a 351m, a completely different motor from the 351w you're going to install?

 

I'm hoping the referee (pretty sure) won't know the difference, in fact i probably could have kept the 460 and just told him it was a 351midland and he may not have even known, i'm under the impression these refs are suits with books they read from, but i could also be very wrong, either way i don't think they're gonna give me a hard time, i'm going far out of my way to comply with the rules here, i could've just gone to oregon and registered it there with the motor and tranny i had, but it was a polluting beast, and at least now i can be rest assured i won't choke out pedestrians on the street!!

 

OK guys, help me put here. Once the FE engines came out I stopped learning about newer Ford V8s

The 351 Windsor (351w) is a modified 302 block with a taller deck. The 351 Cleveland (351C) is a 335 series engine that was produced from 1970 to 1974. The big difference was inside - the 351C had bigger journals, some even had 4 bolt main caps. It was a hot-rod engine.

The 351 Modified (351M) was produced from 1974 to 1982 and is again the 335 series engine. This engine was the 400, but with a shorter throw crankshaft. In other words Ford took a 335 series 400 and de-stroked it to 351 cubic inches. These blocks were beefed up in 1977 for trucks and in all uses in 1978. They also had the EGR and Thermactor airpolution controls built in.

So there are 3 different engines -
the 351w - 302 block with a taller deck
the 351c - basic 335 block with a short deck height
the 351m - a de-stroked 335 series 400 block with a shorter throw crank and polution controls built in.

Have I got this correct?

 

CA must have changed the law...because at one time...if the cost to add/repair the smog junk was over a certain figure...you could get a waiver, and register it as is.

 

It is my understanding that you had to have the original equipment installed before any of the assistance programs would kick in. Since it is illegel to remove any of the smog stuff you had to put it back at your expense.

They also require any car brought into the state pass smog, or you can not bring it into the state.

There are still programs like this around, except now you have to be low-income to qualify. They either fix your car, or buy it from you.

 

Give the man an "A"! All basically correct...!

But to throw a slight monky wrench into the works, when swapping these engines around the 351W and 351C share the same motor mounts and bellhousing bolt pattern, and so can be a direct swap for one another. But for some reason when the 351M/400 debuted, they changed the motor mount and bellhousing pattern to the 385 series pattern (429/460).

 

See...that's why I always stuck to the other brand all these years...one tranny fit's all the V8's

 

Thanks for the "A" - it is from wikipedia, which is not always correct in every detail, and often leave things out. The 351 w and 351c were replacements for the 302 line of engines - therefore the small bell housing. The 335 block that made up the 351M and the 400 were replacements for the 385 series engines - the 429/460. Therefore they were cast with the bigger bellhousing, as they were replacing real workhorses.

I think this is true, it makes sense to me. I just wonder why 351 or 5.8 liter was such a magic number for ford - were they trying to stay with the chev 350?

 

Sure, that works, especially if you use maytag motors for power.

 

Hey now, Maytag get's very few calls, remember the commercial?