Not when thier factories are holes in the ground. They are very economicly dependent on us anyway, so I doubt we'll ever go to war. That is unless the oil runs out.

Mike

 

Even non union shops are feeling this crunch

 

You dont give the Soviets enough credit. They were every bit as advanced as the USA in the 60s & 70s. Remeber they had all the Firsts in space with the exception of the man on the moon.

Somehow I dont think so. But thier nuclear weapons are quite modern I assure you.

 

does China have a Navy?

can they move those million men where they need them?

just wundering?

 

You guys better invest in some good antibiotics cause we no longer have ***** here in the U.S. We are a bunch of tree hugging, bleeding hart, pansies that are to stupid to see what is really going on. Everyone keeps buying these foreign cars and loading them up with garbage they bought from China Mart, but still wonder why they no longer have a job.
Oh yea I left out the 12million+ illegal immigrants working for cash (not paying taxes), filling our prisons, and using our Medicare and other benefits put in place to help out Americans in need. But no one here has the heart to kick out these illegal land leaches.....

 

I agree with Cmoney.

The amount of money we spend on them alone would solve our national debt in no time if I remember what my economy teacher said correctly.

Get rid of all illegal people in the US, and mandate that everyone uses ethanol or biodiesel with the next 10 years, and boom the economy explodes. We are no longer dependent on foreign oils, inflation drops with the price of fuel, the dollar strenghtens so our dollar buys more, so people make more and bam the stock market goes wild. If the farmer makes money then things are good. If the farmer doesn't make money, then you get what we have right now......so so or worse.

Our biggest set back to our economy, is that our fuel costs are way higher then we were ever use to, or could ever imagine. ................ Not to mention we as a nation don't know the meaning of savings.

 

I remember that a lot of the missles that they showed around were actually wooden models.

Also, they might have been close to us but no cigar. Take the K-19 for example. It was a rush job to catch up and was built without needed safety systems. So things always broke and there was no safety net. I'm pretty sure that we've always been ahead on things like sonar and radar.

One thing that they did make that I like a lot was the AK-47. I've got one, I love it, and I still think that it's the best assault rifle ever made.

Mike

 

So what was it that Ford is doing?? LOL I love this forum, how these thing evolve and grow!!

 

Ford is doing thier very best to be out of business ASAP.

Mike

 

If the price of oil is driven up and stays up - which has been a part of the plan for a new american century (PNAC) including the Iraq invasion and Iran war soon to start (courtesy now of Isreal), any day now - what will happen is that you will become for a very long time sself sufficient in oil!

You have untapped wealth in shale oil deposits, it's just that it's always been to expensive to extract it!

New technology now combined with the higher prioce of oil makes shale oil recovery possible & highly probable!

What will happen is the govt will get companys to use this new technology to use the LPG that is found in conjunction with oil and oil shale - and use it to superheat water into steam and iject that steam back underground into the oil shale!

When you heat oil shale - liquid oil pours out and can be pumped cheaply!

The ability to heat oil shale in ground and extract liquid oil - will very likely see USA selkf sufficient in oil for another 100 years based on shale oil despoit reserves!

Problem is it will still mean we have to deal with gas at $3 a gallon!

The economy is oil driven, and will ostensibly remain so until someone finally wakes up and recognises my new energy source....and develps it to replace oil!

When that happens -the Oil & nuclear ages will be ended - relics of the past just as the steam age ended manual labor!

M = ;Δ T

Cheers!

 

Flywest, I'm not sure how long you've been gone from the states but unions have not "improved" from what they were in the 80's. Assembly line jobs should not be making $40/hr, let alone $60 (probably exaggerated). If I were Ford I would leave the country too. EPA standards for factories, property costs and insurance, medical ins, etc. are killing what's left of the bottom line...

I'm in the process of searching for a new job. I, at first, ruled out 2 that would REQUIRE me to join a union because of "past problems" (according to the personel dept.). First of all, I am not interested in a company that has either caused problems with employees or employees that have caused problems with the company. Just not interested. Sadly, I have only had 2 call backs which were from those 2 companies. I'm currently researching what the "problems" were.

I am not saying that unions don't have their good points but we really would not need them at all if the companies (Ford, GM, etc) treated employees as people instead of numbers. This entire country is obsessed with disposable materials and disposable relationships. Until that changes and the future children feel the change, their is no point in arguing any of this.


[Edit] I think the unions actually HELP to force the companies to treat their employees as numbers. If the companies started acting humanely the unions would be out of jobs the very next day. I'd rather that extra $5 a week goes to me then them. That $5 union fee is just a guess, I have no idea what it really is so don't jump on me about it. The personal dept simply told me I would have union fees automatically deducted each week.

 

All factory work is like this, Im at a non union place and and thats all we are.

 

I think maybe the problem of people being treated as numbers / machines by corporations is symptomatic of the computer age & corporations only being legally obligated to worry about - shareholder dividends & bottom lines!

The days of companys or organisations considering employees as assets of the corporation are from the last millenium...

All decisions a corporation makes - have to by law be designed or taken with the express intention of deriving a shareholder profit / dividend!

So - for example - all corporate "donations" to political parties are by Corporate LAW binding the corporation - officially (legally) "bribes" - since the donation cannot legally be made without an explicit expectation of it resulting in a shareholder profit / dividend by the giver the coporate CEO/board of directors!

What is needed to FIX labor problems - is to "require" under industrial & corporate law for certain "targets" to be met for max allowable numbers of "lost time" accidents / 100 employees, as well as certain Max allowable "turnover" (employees leaving & or being replaced) % ages, certain Max allowable sick leave short leave etc days off %ages and so on...

Basically - if industrial & corporate law required corporations to be accountable for their human carnage (turnover & accidents etc) such that CEO's salaraies were penalised / docked, & the company fined, tax payable % ages increased etc, & shareholder profits / dividends garnered and paid to employees as a bonus for failures to meet targets for human resource management - then we would see corporations treating their emoployees as assets!

Accounting methods should value employees as assets of the company, listed on the books - and taken into account when buying / taking over other companys!

When this happens - employees will become valued assets!

Rather than depreciating assets like machinery - employees ought be appreciating assets, where the longer they stay - the more experience and training they receive - the more the co has invested in them - the more valuable assets they become!

Maybe companys could depreciate their employees on the books beyond say 55 or 60 years of age as they approach retirement, for taxation / purposes, to reflect their relativbely short remianing expected working life....but employees SHOULD be a part of the valuation of a companys worth.

Outsourced employees (foreign) should be a "penalty" to the accounting system - a liability to company and shareholder alike! In fact companys who outsource are in effect saying to their shareholders - we will no longer invest in your children as our future company assets, instead we are going to employ a foregner as a liability for your shareholder dividends!

There are ways to fix whats wrong in this world!

Corproartions should be held accountable as individuals are at law! If they are afforded the same legals statsus as a person for taxation - then they ought also be accountable at law for failures, such that CEO's & boards of directors (and their families) can be sued for losses by employees & shareholders alike downto the last cent!!

We would see "better" (more cautious) CEO's and boards of directors!

One slip by anyone in the wqhole corporation and everyone at the top gets it in the neck!

When I am benevolent dictator of this world (evil minime laugh inserted here) Mu ha hah haaa... I will bring corporatons and multi national corporations to heel!

No longer will multinational corporations own the politicians from both sides of politics, no longer will they weild larger fiscal power & authoritiy than many soverign nations.

Politicians will yet answer to the people they serve......but not for a wee while yet I'm afraid!

M = Δ T

Mass Equals Change in Time is the key to future energy from the domain of time!! (9 x 10 ^ 16 Joules per second or thereabouts!). Thats a shyte load bye the way!

I could do you the Math if you really want - but try to think of it this way!

When A. Einstein gave us E = MC^2... it lead to the splitting of the atom (Nuclear Power / atomic bombs)!

TE Bearden recently gave us E = Δ TC ^2, which is heralding the age of Overunity power sequestration

We can resolve these two equations

If

E = MC^ 2

& Also

E = Δ TC^2

Then it stands that

MC^2 = Δ TC^2

We then divide bioth sides of the equation by the erroneous speed of light squared C^2 to leave us with:-

M = Δ T

I.e there is as much energy in Mass (slitting the atom, ergo nuclear bombs) as their is in the domain of Time

How much is that? - yup 9 x10 ^ 16 Joules per second approximately!

I say approximately because the spped of light has never bveen proven at 186000 miles per second (9 x 10 ^8 meters per second) that Einstein and others before him claimed (Mitchellson Morley Sganac et al), it remains just a theory.

In fact the speed of light is infinity....but probably you'd want the proof for that!

Let me put it too you this way!

Einsteins theory of reltiveity was never peer reviewed or it would never have been published in the first place!

Why - well if E = MC^2 and C is the speed of light at 186000 Miles Per Second...

Then - there are TWO possible speeds of light that satisfy this equation mathematically!

+ve 186000MPS & -ve 186000 MPS, because the square root can be both positive and negative and still be valid! (i.e -2^2 = 4 & +2 ^ 2 also = 4!).

So mathematically Einsteins speed of light constant C @ 186000MPS...is not mathematically correct sufficient to prove his E = MC^2 theorem!
How can the speed of light be traveling in two opposite directions at the same time?

In fact the ONLY speed of light constant C that makes E = MC^2 correct is a speed of infinty!

Infinity ^2 = Infitity!

Thus Einstein was WRONG....but not by a great deal....well not enough taht anyone was prepared to say so publicly and risk ridicule!

Now back to my original supposition...

M = Δ T

Mass Equalls Change in Time!

Theres as much energy in Mass as there is in the domain of change in Time

If we truly undertsood the energy source that Time is - we could harness it and use it just as today we use nuclear power!

If we did that we would be:

The worlds ONLY superpower because the weaponisation of this technology - like the weaponisation of energy within Mass (splitting the atom) would give us the ability to again destroy the entire earth and everything in and on it many times over!

Not only that we would be no longer oil dependant!

So - what is "Time" and how do we harness the energy source compressed or trapped within it? (Remembering that energy can be neither created nor destroyed - just converted from one form to another)?

What do we use to measure TIME on earth?

Anyone wants to answer "clocks" go straight to the bottom of the class and take your books with you! Clocks measure the Earths spin about its own axis...(24 housr sun up to sun down to sun up again!) which my friends is a force known as gravity, not TIME

***Calendars measure Time!***

They measure the seasons, one full year, or more correctly - the earths orbit thru space about the sun until it comes roughly back to the same point in space!

So what typeof force is time really?
Is it not the mass of the earth times it's velocity thru space?
Is that NOT the energy force that is TIME?
How does one harvest (convert) THAT form of energy into another form that we can utilise?

Therein lies your answer to dependence on oil or nuclear energy!

Cheers n beers!

 

Those of you complaining about all the money the American worker makes, has anyone noticed how much the exec's make in relation to the worker? Compare it to approx 20 years ago. Oh sure they take it as stock but it still equates to MONEY. Check out some of the retirement packages these exec's are getting and tell me why these companies are in trouble. Get the FORD FAMILY out of running Ford Motor Co. and put someone like Lee Iacocca sp? in to clean it up.You may be right that the employees are making too much, but the basic function of unions needs to be preserved and the coal miners is the best example. Unfortunately there are still miners dying unnecessarily in mines. They obviously need a union to represent them because the mining Co.doesn't care about their safety, just profit. Sorry..I run my mouth sometimes. I just hate hearing people yapping about the American worker when they need to take a closer at the exec's. (That's my 2 cents)

 

It's called buying time and protecting yourself from take over!!