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Old Nov 30, 2006 | 11:31 AM
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Talking 2x to 4x

I am seriously looking at taking a 4x4 bronco the same year as my truck. (94 inline 6 300) and swapping the front end to make my truck 4x4. I am wondering if anyone has done this before, and if it is worth it. I will worry about the xfer case and everything else post install. the bronco is easier to find here than a front end to make mine 4x. any help would be appreciated, links to people who have done it, or some publications that might help.

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Old Nov 30, 2006 | 11:34 AM
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Interesting

I just picked up an ubercheap f350 powerstroke dually crew cab 5 speed that is 2wd and would like to hear what folks have to say about this topic as well. Seems like a hobby project more than anything.
 
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Old Nov 30, 2006 | 07:01 PM
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Hey funny thing i just got done doing something similar. only i took a f-150 2 wheel and bought a 4x4 f150 and swapped the front ends to make it 4x4. its really not that hard at all it took me about 2 days to do it but i put all new bushings in and all that. but everything just bolts right up theres nothing to drill out or anything. well if you have any more ?'s just let me know cause can probably give you a good answer being that i just done it lol. hope this helps
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Old Dec 1, 2006 | 10:00 AM
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Did you have any trouble with the transfer case/tranny situation? How about driveshafts? I figure that these truck were built to be modularly built in the factory so it shouldn't be too bad.
 
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Old Dec 1, 2006 | 10:24 AM
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if your gonna go thru all that swap in a solid axle, there is no point in installing the TTB front end especially if you plan on wheeling. if you dont plan on wheeling leave it 2wd and go PreRunner style. do a search for SAS on the web you will find so much info its sickening. and will show every option imaginable
 
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Old Dec 1, 2006 | 11:11 AM
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Yeah id like to hear about the tranny/transfercase situation too. Would be a cool thing to liven up a 2 wheel drive.
 
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Old Dec 1, 2006 | 02:49 PM
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some ppl just want 4wd for on road poor weather situations. You can simply bolt in the 4wd ttb unit so that seems very practical to me. The t-case is bolted to the tranny and does not rest on its own x-member, remove the 2wd version and install the 4wd version. Now if youre pulling out a 2wd E4OD youll want to swap your PCM for one from a manual trans truck. Since the E4OD is electronically controlled through the PCM not having the E4OD there anymore will screw it up, not sure if AOD's are the same or not. Make sure the gearing is the same.
 
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Old Dec 1, 2006 | 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Kemicalburns
if your gonna go thru all that swap in a solid axle, there is no point in installing the TTB front end especially if you plan on wheeling.
I don't really agree with you here Kem... the TTB is not as strong as a solid axle for sure, but for snowy road conditions and light to moderate off-roading the TTB is a great compromise between ride comfort and having four wheel drive. Not everyone who wants a 4x4 needs a solid axle, and putting a TTB in there as cheaper than a SAS any day.

As for tranny/t-case issues, you will need a new transmission if it's a manual. If you have an auto, you can swap tailshafts out, but you have to disassemble the whole tranny to do that. Broncos had a fixed yoke transfer case and most F-series had a slip yoke, so the driveshaft is going to be a custom job.
 

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Old Dec 1, 2006 | 04:25 PM
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the front drive shaft for mine will work but as for my rear one i have to either get one made or get one at a junk yard thats the next thing on my list. and the cross member i had to change they were just bolted in and it all went in the same place just how it was bent around was different. yeah and like i said i havent had anything that wouldnt bolt up the same as the 2x.
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Old Dec 1, 2006 | 07:24 PM
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I want the 4x for off road, but not serious offroad, rock crawling or pulls, want the 4x for the beach and deer season. I can do this is stages, by putting hte front end in first then going to the new tranny and xfer case. found a 94 4x front end, on craigs list last night for 375. not a bad deal, still waiting on a response if it is still available, then price the bushings.
 
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Old Dec 2, 2006 | 01:04 PM
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I'm in the middle of same kind of swap. front axle will bolt right in, you didn't mention the trannys, whether they are the same or not, if the same, then take tranny and transfercase from 4x and transfer it. front driveshaft will bolt right in, and if you take rear axle also(to insure gearing is the same) the rear driveshaft from 4x should bolt right in also, the only thing hard about this conversion is if you are going to be going from auto to manual tranny, or viceversa. if it's manual shift transfer case, all cabs whether it was 2 or 4wd has the opening in the floorboard, it's bolted in, just have to remove that and cut out your carpet and you're ready to go
 
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Old Dec 2, 2006 | 03:23 PM
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yeah 95ford4x4 is right the only reason my rear drive shaft wouldnt work was because i went from regular cab to ext cab so thats why.
 
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Old Dec 2, 2006 | 05:20 PM
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I think i actually figured out that the swap would be easier with a 4x4 truck to 2x truck. instead of the bronco. i have found several possible donors for my front end. esp the one on craigs list. I will have a complete shop to do my swap in, along with another body to help, prob first project after christmas. woo hoo can't wait. the tranny in mine is 5 speed with od, manual. and the inline6 300 motor.
 
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Old Dec 3, 2006 | 12:47 AM
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I did a somewhat similar swap. In terms of one 4x4 part for a 2wd pard in the same year range, the swap was a breeze. The one thing that will be a bit of a question for you is the rear springs and hangers. In the 2wd Ford used 2.5" wide springs and hangers, and 3" wide ones in the 4x4's. The donor truck will have these in them, and would be an advantage to install them aswell for ease of supsension lifts later. Plus the 4x4 spring hangers are also add about 1" of lift to the rear of the truck as they protrude lower than the 2wd ones. Also the 4x4 used a small rear block, and they are different from the Bronco to the regular 1/2 tons. The bronco's use the block to add lift plus to correct the pinion angle for their short wheel base and higher driveshaft angles. I installed a set from a 78 Bronco along with the 9" rear end, which posed some serious vibrations at highway speeds. I corrected that when I lifted the truck 4". My 92 F150 also used to be an I6 and is now a 302, plus I upgraded my mazda 5spd for a ZF 5sp which turned out to be cheaper for a much stronger transmission. I am also running a 205 Transfer case from one of my many 78 Broncos, and also spent some money on a rear driveshaft. The only thing left from factory on my truck is the body and the frame, which will soon be having some serious modifications aswell. Good Luck and I hope you enjoy it as much as I did.
 
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Old Dec 4, 2006 | 08:55 PM
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Ok so i'm a new user here so i can use any help i can get.
I have a 93 f150 2wd that i want convert to 4x4. I know that every thing is bolt up and the only real question i have is about the tranny. I have the I-6 m5od and i have heard to diffrent things. I heard that you need to replace the output shaft with a shorter one for the t case. and iv heard that if you pull the tail of the trans that the t case and its extension will bolt on and work fine.

Im not sure which is true. so i can use any help
 
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