Yeah, I hear ya. I hate the first year of anything but I don't have much choice since my lease is up on my F150. From the pictures I've seen of the 2008, I'm still not sold on it. I liked the idea of getting a 2007, keeping it for 2 years, then getting the "new" SD after the kinks were worked out of it. Guess that aint gonna happen since I can't order a 2007 anymore. Guess I will be the guinea pig even though I don't won't to be. Of course, I'll only have to live with it for 2 years if I don't like it. Plus, as I've mentioned before, I'm leaning toward the V10 which appears to be unchanged for the 2008's so that is a little reassuring. I'm sure the new 6.4 diesel will be kick-*** but I'll let the die-hard diesel guys test that out....

Thanks for reading,
Ed

 

Have you checked out the V10 forum? Lots of useful information regarding that engine down there.

https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/forum49/

Good luck with your decision.

 

gas or diesel resale depends on the region. some regions the diesels hold more value then other regions. gas holds more value then diesels in some regions. the only proven fact is the diesel will turn better fuel mileage then a gas motor. also the diesel comes with a higher maintenance cost and a lot more torque.

 

One thing to note is that the V10 is fairly consistent. Talk to 100 V10 guys and you will pretty much get the same answer on if they like engine and what MPG they are getting. 11-12 mixed, 13-15 Highway, city can be as low as nine and towing 7.5-9. The PSD guys are getting between 10-700000 MPG depending on who u ask

 

Get the diesel you will olve the power and how great it pulls . I have a 8500 lb. camper and my 6.0 diesel pulls it like it wasn't hooked to the truck . And you get over 400 miles to a tank of fuel. My boss has a f250 v10 and says it get 10 -12 mpg empty.

 

Go with the diesel!! I'm a former V-10 owner and made the switch to the PSD 6.0 and love it. My V-10 got 6 mpg empty or loaded it just guzzled gas like a fish. the 100,000 mile warrantee and the idea of the motor lasting longer also helped me make up my mind. I doubled my mileage and then some! The maint. is a little bit more...but hey the torque is unreal...............I wont ever go with a 5.4 they are dogs and I love the shake of my PSD. Good luck with which ever you choose..............You cant go wrong if ya think about it... It's a Ford either way!

 

[QUOTE=99 SD Snowbuster]I wont ever go with a 5.4 they are dogs QUOTE]

No they are not. But that is not his question.

 

im getting about 16MPG combined and the way i drive it, oh if it was a gasser it wouldnt see 10MPG.


so im looking at 50% fuel savings cep i wouldnt drive a gasser like that because of the MPG factor.


if i was you i would try and find and '07, i dont trust ford or the EPA.


is it cost efective? prolly not. fun factor AAA+.

 

I wouldn't say the diesel comes with a lot more torque. The 7.3 has less rear wheel torque and the 6.0 has roughly 8% more than the V10, SRW, with stock ratios.

V10:
362 at 4,750 rpm
457 lb-ft torque 3,250 rpm
4.30 gears multiplied by 457 lb ft torque = 1965.1

PSD 6.0
325@3,300 hp
570@2,000 torque
3.73 gears multiplied by 570 lb ft torque = 2126.1

PSD 7.3 (1999 - 2003)
250 hp
500 lb-ft torque
3.73 gears multiplied by 500 lb ft torque = 1865

 

This was an interesting statement. The following is from the Ford 2005 RV & Trailer towing guide for an F250 4x4 Regular cab SRW truck:

Engine________Axle Ratio___Maximum Trailer weight
6.8L SEFI V10___4.10__________12500
6.8L SEFI V10___4.30__________12500
6.0L Diesel_____3.73__________12500

It looks to me like they are rated the same. For the F350 4x4 Regular cab DRW, the Diesel is rated to tow more weight with the 4.10 axle:

Engine________Axle Ratio___Maximum Trailer weight
6.8L SEFI V10___4.10__________13700
6.8L SEFI V10___4.30__________15000
6.0L Diesel_____3.73__________15000
6.0L Diesel_____4.10__________15000

 

Can't beat a diesel. I have a 1999 F-250 7.3 with the manual transmission. On the highway, unloaded at 70 mph it will consistently get 19-20 mph. City, however, is 16.5. I only tow a boat and that drops it to 14.5 to 15. It is cheap to maintain if you do the work yourself. Change oil and filter every 5k, fuel and air filter every 15k and don't forget to add the radiator additive every 15 k and change the fluid at 30.

No tune ups to worry about and it will run forever......

 

Changing spark plugs every 50,000 miles or so isn't a rigorous "tune up". Gas engines haven't had points and condensers or caburetors in decades. These engines don't even have distributers or spark plug wires. Tune ups just aren't an issue any more. Either engine will outlast the pickup with regular maintenance. The '92 F150 I traded in on my V10 had 233,000 miles on it with no drivetrain issues. My son is driving an '83 F100 with a 302 and the engine has never been opened on it either. 23 years is a long time to last for any engine.


Maintenance on a gas engine is less expensive than a diesel. Less than half the oil, and a $3 filter changed at the same interval. Air filter once a year and a fuel filter every 30k or so depending on your supplier's fuel quality. Nothing to add to the radiator but coolant and water every 3 years.

Don't get me wrong, I think Ford puts a great diesel in their trucks. I think if you want it and have the money for it then you should get it. I just believe that most of what you hear about diesels is owner's justification. No different than folks used to justify the 460 gas engine over the capable 360 or 390. Only difference I see now is that most of the Super Duties now are sold with the upper-end engine choice (diesel). Most that you hear about on forums like these are also sold with leather, 4x4, Lariat (or better) packages and pretty much every bell and whistle that can be ordered. If Ford misses a bell or whistle people jump to put it on themselves. It really more a state of the economy than anything else. People feel they have more buying power or disposable income than ever before. Just 20 years ago very few people bought the top engine choice or added more to their trucks than tape pinstriping. Pickups have moved into luxury car status from Redneckville (where I grew up).

 

99 SD Snowbuster wrote
My V-10 got 6 mpg empty or loaded it just guzzled gas like a fish. the 100,000 mile warranty and the idea of the motor lasting longer also helped me make up my mind. I doubled my mileage and then some!


First if your v10 was getting 6 MPG unloaded something was wrong with it! Second for the cost of a turbo I can replace my motor so at the end of the 100K warranty guess which I would rather have. If you doubled your millage you get the millage I am getting . How you drive the v10 does not make a huge difference in MPG. I have flogged it and taken it easy only 1-1.5 mpgs difference. For under $30 I drop my truck off at the dealer for an oil change and pick it up washed. No fuel additives, no worries about plugging it in when it is extremely cold. If you tow heavy >10,000 pounds or tow or live in the mountains then a PSD is the clear winner but for most of us either is a good choice, for the person using the truck as a car most of the time the PSD is an expense that will never pay for itself. I am not saying you should not get the PSD for this reason it is nice to work hard and treat your self!

 

For your use I don't know if a diesel is what you want or not. I know from my chair I went with the diesel over a gas engine. My first trip to SLC with the gas it took 8 tanks with the diesel it took 3 so for those who say a diesel doesn't give mileage must be I had a good tail wind. the distance for me is over 900miles and the third tank was done after I had been in SLC for a couple of days so I guess it would more correct to say it took 2 tanks of fuel and that was when it had less then 200 miles on it.
Maintenance is more costly by about $20 bucks for me because I used to change the oil on the gasser every 3 thousand and now change every 5 with the diesel, filters do cost more but I can live with that. My gas engine F350 sc 4x4 sb with 285 tires and the 5.4L was 10-12 in the city and 14-16 on the highway Now the diesel gets me 13-15 in the city and on the road I average in the low 20's on the expressways I run @70mph my new truck is a F250 cc sb 4x4 20 inch tires with cap and all the kids handicap stuff just like the F350 and my gvew is still 10,000pounds and yes I do hit it.
I don't know if I have a good truck or not as it only has 4600 miles on it and most of the time the driving is in the city but for moving my family it is the best I got the lariet with all the toys well most of them and the heated seats work great for my medically fragile daughter now is getting cold as I can turn it on and she says warm and comfortable also have the climate control so we can keep the cab where she likes it. Don't know how most feel but I got my diesel with the idea of keeping it until it falls apart and just hope it lasts that long.
As to the new 2008 trucks there will be good ones and bad ones that come out of the factory but I would think the first few thousand will be better then most of the 6.0L because ford needs to have a big win on this truck or eveyone is going to start looking at other companies me included and in 2010 the real fight will be on and with luck I will be in a position to get one when the bugs are worked out.
I think any new truck gas or diesel is a crap shoot anymore just to much can go wrong with them and if you get a good one you love it and if you get a bad one you hate it. Good luck on what you get and let us know how you like it whether you end up with a gas or diesel as next time I might go back to gas one never knows in this crazy world of vehicles anymore which way to go.
I do love the power and response of my diesel have not been is gasser that equals it yet. Was out with the family yesterday on the interstate and some body tried to trap me inbetween a couple of slower moving vehicles well I rocked the foot into the go pedal and we did just that up and gone no gasser could have done better and it was great to feel the power just be there when needed.

 

Interval on oil for the v10 is 5K per the manual and the dealer recommendation.

if you did 900 miles on 2 tanks lets say you filled up and each was 22 gallons that is 20.5 MPG on the highway I get about 14 mpg (75 -80 mph) that would be 65 gallons to your 45, so that is 20 gallons. I pay about 50 cents less a gallon so I get 20*.5 = $10 so that is at least 4 gallons of free gas. so the spread is 15 gallons, that is half a tank. I would think if you were towing the spread be be a little more but still not 4 - 1 (8 tanks gas/ 2 tanks diesel).