Notices
Aerostar Ford Aerostar

Rough idle, stalls sometimes

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Dec 20, 2006 | 04:18 AM
  #16  
xlt4wd90's Avatar
xlt4wd90
Lead Driver
20 Year Member
Photogenic
Joined: Sep 2003
Posts: 7,014
Likes: 206
From: SoCal
Club FTE Silver Member

Originally Posted by khantyranitar
You should never brush or scrap the inside of the TB. There is a hin film that Ford coats the metal surfaces wih that gets the interior of the TB lubricated and helps prevent the deposits from actually bonding to the metal. I have never had a problem with the stuff coming of from just spraying it with TB Cleaner. Never use carb cleaner, because it strips the coating, and it can damage the seals.
Coating or no, stuff gets stuck to the interior of the intake. I think Yitzy has dscribed this already in another posting. (Cleaned up stuff that looks like used oil from the throttle plate...) With just PCV, it might be possible to spray it off with some kind of cleaner. With EGR, the gasses really bake themselves onto the walls. Some EGR designs have the exhaust passges cast right into the intake manifold, adding that much more heat to it. With a toothbrush, the bristles should not be all that damaging to any coatings that might need to stay there. But my feeling is that the coatings have long worn off from being attacked by the PCV gasses.

Yitzy, I would also check to see if your PCV valve is working properly. Your description sounds like it was ventilating too much from the crankcase into the intake.
 
Reply
Old Dec 20, 2006 | 10:04 AM
  #17  
yitzy's Avatar
yitzy
Senior User
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 208
Likes: 1
From: Brooklyn, NY
It is a new PCV valve. How do I test it? Also, once i take it out anyway, should I put anything down the hole?
 
Reply
Old Dec 20, 2006 | 01:01 PM
  #18  
96_4wdr's Avatar
96_4wdr
Post Fiend
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 5,720
Likes: 5
From: Washington state
never had Ford's No So Good Idea of Slic ***** 50 Teflon frying pan coating in the throat of the throttle body work to prevent crud build up for my rigs....
always had to clean them....noi wire brushes or acid please....just a good quality throttle body cleaner or a can of Berrymans B12, paper towels and shop rags

not any good ways to test a PCV with diyer tools....need a vacuum gauge connected in a T after the valve on a long line into cabin and observe vac. while driving....but why bother, they're cheap and easy to replace....your new one is ok


clean the ring packs with the can of Berryman B12 injestion and soak....will solve any blow by problem from sticking rings
worn cylinder walls and rings are rare in 4L's....hardly ever see a smoker in this engine

the O2 codes indicate your MAF is toasted with crud....clean or replace

get a Chilton's Aero manual from any auto parts store or online for detailed repairs and locations
 

Last edited by 96_4wdr; Dec 20, 2006 at 01:04 PM.
Reply
Old Dec 20, 2006 | 02:19 PM
  #19  
yitzy's Avatar
yitzy
Senior User
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 208
Likes: 1
From: Brooklyn, NY
Thanks! The MAF will be my next point of attack. I already have both the Chilton's and Haynes books for my Aerostar, got them real cheap on eBay right when I got the car.

God bless you, and in case I do not get a chance to post again soon, Happy New Year and Happy Holidays to you and all!
 
Reply
Old Dec 29, 2006 | 12:09 PM
  #20  
yitzy's Avatar
yitzy
Senior User
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 208
Likes: 1
From: Brooklyn, NY
Okay, the good news and the bad. I found out what was wrong, and we were all way off target. On the other hand, it took some money.

After 3 weeks of rough idle and stalling the van stopped in middle of driving. Thank God it was on my way HOME from work, and it was only 1 block away from home! I called my father (a retired Mechanical Engineer who fixed vehicles in the army) and after reveiwing the symptoms, he diagnosed the Fuel Pump. He also told me how to get it the one more block home! I turned on the car without starting, waited a few seconds, then turned it off. Repeated this 5 or 6 times, which provided wnough pressure to run the car for about 20 seconds. Throw it into Drive, go until it stalls, and start again.

I looked up in Chilton's and determined that the feul pump is inside the Gas tank. No way I can lift the van high enough to do it myself. Looked up the part on AutoZone and saw that it cost over $100. AAA towed it to a mechanic (had difficulty finding one open on Sunday December 24!!) who put it on a pressure test and confirmed the diagnosis. He finally finished the job at 3:10pm, and I start it up. It is still rough. He puts back on the pressure test and yells Whoa!! There is the problem. The pressure reads 80psi and is fluctuating wildly. I could not find the proper pressure anywhere in Chilton's, so I have to take the mechanic's word that steady 40psi is the correct value. He diagnoses a Fuel Pressure Regulator.

Bad news. It is 3:10pm, and all of the suppliers closed at 3pm due to Christmas Eve!!! I had to go back home until Tuesday, but I did drive the van home. He warnde me not to drive it too much since the fuel pump could get killed again.

Anyway, after a few more hours wasted on Tuesday, it is finally fixed, and running like a charm. Apparently nothing else was wrong!

I never would have figured this out myself if the pump hadn't broken, since no one suggested the fuel pressure, and I had no tools to test it anyway.

Thanks everyone for your help!!
 
Reply
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
Milpool
1987 - 1996 F150 & Larger F-Series Trucks
4
May 2, 2015 04:36 PM
BrentElliott0093
1997 - 2003 F150
3
Apr 14, 2014 05:33 PM
daddylee100
1987 - 1996 F150 & Larger F-Series Trucks
5
Mar 2, 2014 08:40 PM
RA72725
Escape & Escape Hybrid
0
May 24, 2013 08:02 AM
jhleclerc
1994.5 - 1997 7.3L Power Stroke Diesel
2
Aug 18, 2005 03:01 PM




All times are GMT -5. The time now is 05:26 AM.

story-0
Top 10 Most Expensive Ford Trucks Ever Sold on Bring a Trailer

Slideshow: 10 most expensive Ford trucks ever sold on Bring a Trailer.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-27 16:24:34


VIEW MORE
story-1
2027 Ford Super Duty Buyer's Guide (Every Model, Engine, & Package)

Here's everything that has changed for the latest model year.

By Brett Foote | 2026-05-27 16:17:28


VIEW MORE
story-2
Top 10 Ford Truck Tragedies

Slideshow: Top 10 Ford truck tragedies.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-18 19:34:33


VIEW MORE
story-3
AEV FXL Super Duty - the Super Duty Raptor Ford Doesn't Make

And it might be even better than that.

By Brett Foote | 2026-05-18 19:26:42


VIEW MORE
story-4
Lobo Vs Lobo: Proof the F-150 Lobo Should Be Even Lower!

Slideshow: Does lowering an F-150 Lobo RUIN the ride quality?

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-05-18 19:20:37


VIEW MORE
story-5
Ford's 2001 Explorer Sportsman Concept Looks For a New Home

Slideshow: Ford's bizarre fishing-themed Explorer concept has resurfaced after spending decades largely forgotten.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-05-12 18:07:46


VIEW MORE
story-6
10 Best Ford Truck Engines We Miss the Most!

Slideshow: The 10 best Ford truck engines we miss the most.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-12 13:09:47


VIEW MORE
story-7
2026 Shelby F-150 Off-Road: Better Than a Raptor R?

Slideshow: first look at the 810 hp 2026 Shelby F-150 Off-Road!

By Brett Foote | 2026-05-12 12:50:07


VIEW MORE
story-8
2027 Super Duty Carhartt Package First Look: 12 Things You NEED to Know!

Slideshow: Everything You Need to Know about the 2027 Super Duty Carhartt Package!

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-05-07 17:51:06


VIEW MORE
story-9
10 Most Surprising 2026 Ford Truck Features!

Slideshow: 10 most surprising Ford truck options/features in 2026.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-05 11:17:22


VIEW MORE