ULSD Fuel
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ULSD Fuel
Filled up today at a local truck that sells both ULSD and regualar diesel.
The 15ppm (new stuff) was the same price as the old diesel spec of 500ppm.
I paid $2.39/gallon at a high volume truck stop that carries both. I will need to refill several times to ensure that I only have ULSD (15ppm) in my tank. I am hoping that this new lower sulfur fuel will make for a cleaner motor due to less soot. Hopefully a few tanks of highway driving with the new fuel (with my 100% usage of Diesel Kleen) will clean out my EGR and other areas of the motor??
No more, or less, black soot comming out the back end when I floor it to pass!!
The 15ppm (new stuff) was the same price as the old diesel spec of 500ppm.
I paid $2.39/gallon at a high volume truck stop that carries both. I will need to refill several times to ensure that I only have ULSD (15ppm) in my tank. I am hoping that this new lower sulfur fuel will make for a cleaner motor due to less soot. Hopefully a few tanks of highway driving with the new fuel (with my 100% usage of Diesel Kleen) will clean out my EGR and other areas of the motor??
No more, or less, black soot comming out the back end when I floor it to pass!!
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From: Stuttgart, Ar
I noticed an immediate difference in smoke, but I'm sure I make a little more than you Jeff--LOL. I've got both here in the area and I notice a difference on cold starts as well. I thought all the 500ppm stuff was supposed to be gone, and maybe the pump close to the house hasn't gone through the cleansing process to pass the ulsd certification, but their stuff is definitely sootier than what I got at the new Sams Club this weekend. I don't get as much smoke on startup either (tuning) as I was on the last tank. I ran a couple of tanks of bio before I changed the fuel filters to help clean out the fuel tank and the motor hated it so no more bio--lost about 3mpg around town with it too. I'm back to ulsd and diesel kleen
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Did the same routine. A fill of B20, run one more tank diesel, change filters, then nothing but USLD since. Truck is running very well on it - stanadyne or DK in every tank. I did clean my EGR valve and IAT #2 sensor at the same time as my filters. I'm hoping its 'clean' sailing from here.
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Originally Posted by npccpartsman
I noticed an immediate difference in smoke, but I'm sure I make a little more than you Jeff--LOL. I've got both here in the area and I notice a difference on cold starts as well. I thought all the 500ppm stuff was supposed to be gone, and maybe the pump close to the house hasn't gone through the cleansing process to pass the ulsd certification, but their stuff is definitely sootier than what I got at the new Sams Club this weekend. I don't get as much smoke on startup either (tuning) as I was on the last tank. I ran a couple of tanks of bio before I changed the fuel filters to help clean out the fuel tank and the motor hated it so no more bio--lost about 3mpg around town with it too. I'm back to ulsd and diesel kleen
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From: Stuttgart, Ar
It was B20 and you'd just have to know this truck. It's a tuning/injector thing. The head gaskets were also nuked at the time, so I wasn't worried about the affects of the Bio. I'd run it before and lost a little mileage. This particular station sells a lot of bio so i don't think it was "bad" fuel, but it may have been the way it was refined or blended. The motor didn't run bad, it just wasn't as robust as 100% #2. I had no water in my HFCM, but I run a lot of DK too.
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From: Trophy Club Texas
In the last two weeks I filled up twice, at different stations. Both offered ULSD ONLY....
First time was at a station I have never used. so I just thought 'well, they have it'. Then just the other day at my normal station it's all they had also.
I haven't noticed any difference at all.
Still using DK, probably be a bit more dilligent in it's use now. Sometimes in the past I would be out, or not have any with me at the time, and I wouldn't worry about it.
dp
First time was at a station I have never used. so I just thought 'well, they have it'. Then just the other day at my normal station it's all they had also.
I haven't noticed any difference at all.
Still using DK, probably be a bit more dilligent in it's use now. Sometimes in the past I would be out, or not have any with me at the time, and I wouldn't worry about it.
dp
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The fist time I ran ULSD my truck bucked out of protest immediately after leaving the pump... Now, after about 1000 miles since then, everything is back to running great. I miss the smoke, though.
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So what is the consensus on the new (07) PSD running biodiesel? I am under the impression that running LSD rather than the ULSD would not only be a violation of some wonderful EPA law, but the truck will actually shut down (plug up the cat). So the question is: can you run BD in the new engine and if so what class of BD?
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From: Arizona
Originally Posted by Neutron
So what is the consensus on the new (07) PSD running biodiesel? I am under the impression that running LSD rather than the ULSD would not only be a violation of some wonderful EPA law, but the truck will actually shut down (plug up the cat). So the question is: can you run BD in the new engine and if so what class of BD?
If you are refering to the new 6.4 PSD in the 08 SD that will become available on January 1,2007 then yes you must run ULSD and i have not seen the fuel specs on it for what grade of BD that can be run in the 6.4 PSD.
Hope this helps
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Kinda reminds me of the bottled water test where people were given blind samples and ended up choosing tap water over Perrier. Subjectivity, i.e. what you think you know, or what you believe is true, regardless of fact or objective evidence is very powerful.
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From: Central Texas
Originally Posted by Beachbumcook
No more, or less, black soot comming out the back end when I floor it to pass!!
I understand the cleaning properties of Bio and is due to the esters that are produced in conversion. Some (not all) of the same stuff is in the additives we use. How does this equate to Dino fuel which has lower sulfur content?
Not at all saying anyone is wrong, I am just interested in more info.
Jäger
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From: Northern Arizona
According to Clean-Diesel.org:
Diesel fuel classified as ULSD was required to reach pipelines and terminals in Kalifornia by July 15th, 2006 and September 1st, 2006 for the remainder of the USA.
Pipelines and terminals have until October 1st, 2010 (July 15th, 2006 in Kali) to fully convert 100% of their distribution capacity to ULSD.
Retail outlets have until December 1st, 2010 (Sept. 1, 2006 for Kali) to fully convert to ULSD.
I have not noticed any difference in my PSD since September 1st. I add either Diesel Kleen or Stanadyne at every fill-up and have since the first time I added fuel to the tank. Smoke is about the same, power, startup, etc.
Yup, we're just special out here in the PRK.
Diesel fuel classified as ULSD was required to reach pipelines and terminals in Kalifornia by July 15th, 2006 and September 1st, 2006 for the remainder of the USA.
Pipelines and terminals have until October 1st, 2010 (July 15th, 2006 in Kali) to fully convert 100% of their distribution capacity to ULSD.
Retail outlets have until December 1st, 2010 (Sept. 1, 2006 for Kali) to fully convert to ULSD.
I have not noticed any difference in my PSD since September 1st. I add either Diesel Kleen or Stanadyne at every fill-up and have since the first time I added fuel to the tank. Smoke is about the same, power, startup, etc.
Yup, we're just special out here in the PRK.
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I've been running ulsd for a while now and can tell a difference. It seems as though the truck is running better but louder. I do run PS in everytank though and have pretty much since I've owned the truck. Can't tell much difference on the mileage since its turning colder here and the mileage normally goes down this time of yr.
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