What is Ford doing?
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Originally Posted by NumberDummy
Brent and dallbright, you realize of course, that it's only going to get worse.
I'd love to know where GM finds their vehicle designers. Harley Earl must be rolling over in his grave.
The entire GM lines are fugly, plain, and un-appealing. Anyone with half an eye can look at a new 'Vette front end and see...Viper! The 2007 Chevy trucks have Titan overtones and have copied that trucks wide open rear doors on extended cabs, and Titan's Util-I-Trac system.
GM's continued use of OHV engines and 4 speed automatics ain't helping them either.
GM..The once industry leader for style and engineering, has been reduced to copycatting every other manufacturer.
Sad...
I'd love to know where GM finds their vehicle designers. Harley Earl must be rolling over in his grave.
The entire GM lines are fugly, plain, and un-appealing. Anyone with half an eye can look at a new 'Vette front end and see...Viper! The 2007 Chevy trucks have Titan overtones and have copied that trucks wide open rear doors on extended cabs, and Titan's Util-I-Trac system.
GM's continued use of OHV engines and 4 speed automatics ain't helping them either.
GM..The once industry leader for style and engineering, has been reduced to copycatting every other manufacturer.
Sad...
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Originally Posted by NumberDummy
Brent and dallbright, you realize of course, that it's only going to get worse.
I'd love to know where GM finds their vehicle designers. Harley Earl must be rolling over in his grave.
The entire GM lines are fugly, plain, and un-appealing. Anyone with half an eye can look at a new 'Vette front end and see...Viper! The 2007 Chevy trucks have Titan overtones and have copied that trucks wide open rear doors on extended cabs, and Titan's Util-I-Trac system.
GM's continued use of OHV engines and 4 speed automatics ain't helping them either.
GM..The once industry leader for style and engineering, has been reduced to copycatting every other manufacturer.
Sad...
I'd love to know where GM finds their vehicle designers. Harley Earl must be rolling over in his grave.
The entire GM lines are fugly, plain, and un-appealing. Anyone with half an eye can look at a new 'Vette front end and see...Viper! The 2007 Chevy trucks have Titan overtones and have copied that trucks wide open rear doors on extended cabs, and Titan's Util-I-Trac system.
GM's continued use of OHV engines and 4 speed automatics ain't helping them either.
GM..The once industry leader for style and engineering, has been reduced to copycatting every other manufacturer.
Sad...
Hmmmm..........GM has a lot of things I wish Ford had:
6 speed Allison, a diesel as good as the Dmax, (praying the 6.4 is a good launch)
Except for the V10, GM's N/A pushrod motors (they're all OHV, BTW) own Ford OHC motors power wise.
And since Ford has basically butchered the new Super Duty's looks, GM arguably has the best looking truck with the GMC (mostly because it looks a lot like the PREVIOUS Super Duty)
Wish Ford had sumpin' that came close to the Vette for the same price.
GM's SUV's have up to 100 HORSEPOWER more than Ford's offerings...
If indeed GM is sad, does that make Ford "sadder"?
[Yes, I'm a Ford guy, but I can be objective and admit when something is better]
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Originally Posted by 150ford
Now when ever did a GMC look like a superduty. I dont see the resemblance. Fords build quality on there trucks is way better then GMs trucks any day. Put them side by side an you will agree.
I know it's subjective, but to me the current GMC looks a lot like the former Super Duty.
I used to say the perfect truck would be a KR or Harley Super Duty with a D/Max Allison drive train.
Now I'd take the GMC looks, drivetrain but the Ford SFA suspension/frame with the King Ranch interior.
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Occasionally I read praise for this foreign made 6 year old d-max on these threads, but it seems to me that they are barely broken in. Time will tell if it is in fact a well built engine, but only being 6 years old hardly makes it what many are portraying it as somekind of Godsend. I'm interested in seeing what head gasket problems arise after more time with the aluminum heads on a cast block. I think it's bound to happen!
Another thing I have noticed is when the dmax was introduced in 2000, there were less than 50,000 trucks sold with the d/max and near 60,000 in 01, compared to 250,000 6.0 Powerstrokes in 03 when it was introduced. Based on these figures which brand do you think is going to show the most problems?
Another thing I have noticed is when the dmax was introduced in 2000, there were less than 50,000 trucks sold with the d/max and near 60,000 in 01, compared to 250,000 6.0 Powerstrokes in 03 when it was introduced. Based on these figures which brand do you think is going to show the most problems?
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I seen the Chevy and GMC in person yesterday and they are better looking when you see them up close.. I seen the exact GMC truck in the commercial going thru the dirt.. same color... very very nice.. i didn't think it was that nice.. clean lines.. I was going to test drive but didn't want to go thru the sales hassle..
My buddy has a dmax with 186,000 on it.. '01. only trouble so far was 2 injectors.. pulls his 5er good.
I'm waiting for the 6.4 also.. I like the Ford truck just not the current diesel power plant. If the 6.4 goes good i'm looking end of next year or in the '08.. X your fingers.
My buddy has a dmax with 186,000 on it.. '01. only trouble so far was 2 injectors.. pulls his 5er good.
I'm waiting for the 6.4 also.. I like the Ford truck just not the current diesel power plant. If the 6.4 goes good i'm looking end of next year or in the '08.. X your fingers.
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Seems there's quite a waiting list already for the 6.4. At least Ford's not rushing it to market, which can only be a good thing!
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Originally Posted by Fordsflylow
Occasionally I read praise for this foreign made 6 year old d-max on these threads, but it seems to me that they are barely broken in. Time will tell if it is in fact a well built engine, but only being 6 years old hardly makes it what many are portraying it as somekind of Godsend. I'm interested in seeing what head gasket problems arise after more time with the aluminum heads on a cast block. I think it's bound to happen!
Another thing I have noticed is when the dmax was introduced in 2000, there were less than 50,000 trucks sold with the d/max and near 60,000 in 01, compared to 250,000 6.0 Powerstrokes in 03 when it was introduced. Based on these figures which brand do you think is going to show the most problems?
Another thing I have noticed is when the dmax was introduced in 2000, there were less than 50,000 trucks sold with the d/max and near 60,000 in 01, compared to 250,000 6.0 Powerstrokes in 03 when it was introduced. Based on these figures which brand do you think is going to show the most problems?
Isuzu design but my understanding is it is built here. Besides, until recently, GM owned 49% of Isuzu.....7 years is plenty time to prove if there is a design flaw.
I remember a few years back there was a big to do about if an F-series had a Brazilian made PSD or not......
Was never a Dmax/Allison fan until the latest 6 speed with the 650 pound feet torque version......the NVH control of this motor surpassess any truck diesel out there.
Not doubting your sales figures, but do have a link?
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You guys are helping to prove one thing: There is some brand loyalty in the truck market. Sure, there are things we would all like to see in the trucks, but you've all pointed out that "you'd like this, or that" and never once said 'If Ford doesn't start making their drivetrain better, I'm buying brand 'x', or whatever. That tells me that Ford and Chevy will be around, at least in the truck market. I've heard it said (in normal conversation, not anything official) that Ford's truck division couldpossibly break off from the rest of the company and stay afloat. The same as been said about the Corvette breaking off from Chevy. However, I doubt that the "truck division" of Ford could survive without also beiing overhauled just as the cars need re-tooling. Any thoughts?
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Well sorry I have to admit the GMC does look like the superduty. But look at the ground clearance on the front bumper. Id have that thing ripped off pronto. A truck is supposed to have ground clearance. At least the superduty has descent ground clearance underneath the truck from front to back. If I wanted a car Id get one. If I want a truck Ford will fill my needs.
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Ford Says 38,000 Have Accepted Buyouts. This will not matter one bit unless Ford and the other American Manufactors begin to offer dependable and desirable alternatives to what the Asian guys are offering. But I guess the bigger picture is what are these guys and girls going to do after Ford. Let's face it these workers were making great wages along with benefits and there's very few jobs out here that's going to support their families lifestyles and if one manages to find one. When was the last time Toyota had massive layoffs or buyouts. It's evident that they have a better playbook!
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Fords offering great alternatives to the asian manufacturers. To get people to accept Ford has better product then Toyota is another story. Folks Toyota is not as perfect as everyone thinks. I am surprised that red blooded americans buy Toyotas over the domestics. Id like to think us Americans can make better prducts then the Japanese ever thought off. An Ford is doing that right now. Take off the Toyota blinders people. Ford has what it takes to compete. They need your help. Buy a new Ford today.
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Originally Posted by 150ford
Fords offering great alternatives to the asian manufacturers. To get people to accept Ford has better product then Toyota is another story. Folks Toyota is not as perfect as everyone thinks. I am surprised that red blooded americans buy Toyotas over the domestics. Id like to think us Americans can make better prducts then the Japanese ever thought off. An Ford is doing that right now. Take off the Toyota blinders people. Ford has what it takes to compete. They need your help. Buy a new Ford today.
No apology needed about the GMC likeness to the Super Duty....and if you notice, my "perfect truck" still had the Ford suspension. But I do totally understand some people's needs/wants for the softer riding, lower GM's.
As far as saving Ford by buying a Ford car.......the fact remains that Camrys, Accords etc are assembled in America with American workers. The competition; Fusion, Milan, etc.. are assembled in Mexico by Mexican workers.
Which worker would you rather support??
