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Old Oct 30, 2006 | 12:04 PM
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Air Cleaner Question

We all know the legendary "soup bowl mod" from Dave S but I was looking on ebay today and found a banks setup on ebay.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/GALE-BANKS-FORD-DIESEL-POWER-PACK-6-9-7-3-AIR-CLEANER_W0QQitemZ170044481691QQihZ007QQcategoryZ43 946QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

This looks different from the flat bottom lid that I installed on my rig. Would this be any bigger of a power increase?
 
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Old Oct 30, 2006 | 02:38 PM
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I can't see where that would be much better than a soup bowl and certainly not better than a flat lid. Kind of like the Turbonators or Tornados, any airflow obstruction is going to flow worse than no obstruction - regardless of how it "directs", "deflects", "swirls", or otherwise modifies the flow pattern....

Just my $.02
 
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Old Oct 30, 2006 | 09:01 PM
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That is just a soup bowl you can not cut off.
I have seen a stock lid that looked just like that, except it did not have Banks on it.

As for the likes of the Tornado, I see we now have a TAG for a turbo equiped engine.
But instead of swirling the air like the tornado does, it straightens it out.

So if you have an engine that has nothing to swirl the air, buy a tornado.
But if you have a turbo to swirl the air, buy a TAG.
One says swirl is better, the other says straight is better.

Starting to sound like the green grass and the fence deal to me, the most desired thing is what you do not have.


I just figured it out.
I am going to install two TAG's and two Tornados and then I am going to go out pull a C 15 Caterpillar that has over 2000 foot pounds of torque. I know it won't stand a chance.
 
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Old Oct 31, 2006 | 09:20 AM
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Banks claims that the air cleaner lid and a performance exhaust will give +33hp. Don't know how accurate that is but thats what I read...
 
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Old Oct 31, 2006 | 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Dave Sponaugle
That is just a soup bowl you can not cut off.
I have seen a stock lid that looked just like that, except it did not have Banks on it.

As for the likes of the Tornado, I see we now have a TAG for a turbo equiped engine.
But instead of swirling the air like the tornado does, it straightens it out.

So if you have an engine that has nothing to swirl the air, buy a tornado.
But if you have a turbo to swirl the air, buy a TAG.
One says swirl is better, the other says straight is better.

Starting to sound like the green grass and the fence deal to me, the most desired thing is what you do not have.


I just figured it out.
I am going to install two TAG's and two Tornados and then I am going to go out pull a C 15 Caterpillar that has over 2000 foot pounds of torque. I know it won't stand a chance.
The TAG and Tornado are completely different concepts used in different locations of the intake air stream. The Turbo Air Guide (TAG) is used near the inlet of the turbo to straighten the air flow and make it smooth to reduce turbulence on the compressor and in turn reduces the exhaust drive pressure required on the turbo. This simply helps with the efficiency of the turbo. The Tornado and products like it are generally used to create turbulence entering the combustion chamber to enhance mixing and combustion. Here is a link to more information and testing of the TAG http://www.dieselpowerproducts.com/tag
 
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Old Oct 31, 2006 | 09:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Dave7.3
Banks claims that the air cleaner lid and a performance exhaust will give +33hp. Don't know how accurate that is but thats what I read...
Yup. Install headers, and dual 3" pipes and gain 35 HP. Then install that air cleaner lid and give up 2 HP. VIOLA' 33 HP increase

JUST KIDDING!

Seriously though, where did you read the HP claims? If it was from any source selling the filter & lid kit, I'd take it with a grain of salt....
 
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Old Oct 31, 2006 | 10:17 AM
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I'm running one of those air cleaner tops made by Raywell. It is a much smaller soup bowl than the factory one. Maybe I'll try some experiments with it this coming year to see if there's any difference between it and a flat top.
 
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Old Oct 31, 2006 | 11:53 AM
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I'm running one of those air cleaner tops made by Raywell. It is a much smaller soup bowl than the factory one. Maybe I'll try some experiments with it this coming year to see if there's any difference between it and a flat top.
THERE ya go - emperical data. Side-by-side comparison. That's the ticket!
 
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