I was curious as to how much difference you would notice with 530 injectors vs. the stock injectors. If you kept your foot out of it could you get the same fuel milage, good drivability, and how much more power or fuel deliviery you would have. Just curious cause I can get 530 injectors about $30 more a piece than factory injectors.

 

Well, you need alot more than just injectors themselves to make them work properly. First off, gauges are a must. You will need new programming to run them, and you will most likely need larger oil to run them, if they are not hybrids. If they are true 530's, then you will need to have big oil to run them and get any performance benfit. Also you will need a high performance fuel system, as they will flow twice as much fuel as the stock system can keep up with, more specifically the checkvalves in the cylinder head bosses. And another thing would be head studs. These injectors are capable of making more boost than the stock engine bolts can handle.

I was talking to Dockboy at Fall Brawl about his true 530's, and he said there is no way to control the smoke. Basicallyl if you want to accelerate a little bit and give just enough pedal to keep speed, you will bellow out black smoke. With these injectors you can get all the smoke you want on demand, however there is no way to make them "not smoke"... You will get at least 100rwhp with supporting mods such as big oil, and an H2E turbocharger. Big oil and the turbo are about $2000-2500 a piece. Once running them, you will find out your transmission will be overwhelmed, and a new $3000-4000 transmission will be in order. Also, their single-shot design will make the engine louder.

They are great injectors if you have the supporting mods to run them.

Here is a little list of stuff needed to run 530's.

Gauges- $400
Fuel system from tank to engine- $800-1000
Head studs- $650-700
BTS tranny- $3900
Big oil- $2000-2500
H2E Turbo- $2500
Reprogrammed DPtuner- $300?
However once you have all of these mods, these injectors will make this engine capable of over 500rwhp.

 

Too true Kris - ALSO!! - better add ROD'S to that list too - and prolly a high-rev kit too!! Greg trashed 2 sets of forged rods with his 530's - before he went to billet rods. There's not many guys running true 530's... there's a reason for that!!

 

Yes, and i was going to say that, but i didn't think that the thread starter was going to run nitrous like Greg did. I have a set of good looking Forged rods in a box on my shelf, but i think i might sell them to get billet rods, so i don't have to worry about bottom end strength.

And Ford Truck Racer, if you do break into the bottom end, add to the list: Main studs and a Main Girdle to prevent crank walking.

 

Was kinda curious as not heard much discussion on them.

 

Actually Chad it was 2 sets of stock forged rods and 1 set stock forged rods that were polished, peened, and cryoed

Ford Truck,

Putting in 530's with out doing all the other supporting mods would be like trying to frame a house on dirt instead of a foundation

They are great injectors! but you better be prepared to spend some money to make them run to their potential!

 

Greg, it took you 3 rebuilds/sets of rods to realize it's time for billet rods? What did you do at each rebuild, if anything new?

 

Learned something new each time Kris


The last motor lasted 70k mi on stock forged rods at 500+. My way of doing things is not to throw a bunch of things at it at once, but to do things in small steps so you can quantify things. You have to push things till they break to find the limits.

 

As far as the smoke is concerned, if I'm not mistaken Greg, aren't you running the BD with their 5 hole nozzles? Doesn't one of those holes not direct the fuel directly into the bowl of the piston? I would think that might contribut to a lot of smoke.

I know at least a few are running them with enlarged Powerstroke 7 hole nozzles (Jody for sure, maybe Joey, not sure who else). Is the smoke any different, more controlled and/or less of it, with the 7 hole nozzles?

 

My question for Greg is, having gone through 3 sets of forged rods, certainly that cannot be the same original block? Am I wrong?

 

what is needed for 530 hybrids? same deal prettymuch? an what kind of HP are they capable of.

 

Yes, the bottom hole is just slightly outside the edge of the bowl. But also remember, I run .010 lower compression pistons.

The smoke is not constantly black. Any time you are under throttle, even the slightest, there is a slight haze.

 

LOL

No, 3 blocks also

 

530 hybrids are a little tamer and dont require a dual hpop setup. With alot of supporting mods ive cracked 550 hp (#2 only) out of hybrids and single hpop, but most will only get 450-500hp. I just sold my hybrids to upgrade to a Stealth HPOS and custom 530's. IMO 500hp and less hybrids are great and pretty easy to make that kind of hp with, but if your wanting 500++ then in the end dual hpop and 530's are probably the way to go.

 

so when your refering to "big oil" that is dual HPOP?