I'm trying to determine what my 360/390 might have been pulled from. I have a 1967 F-250 and from what I am told, the FE series engine may be from a car rather than truck?

First, the engine mounts were "reversed" to allow the engine to sit further back in the engine compartment....from the bottom, it appears I will easily be able to pull my oil pan straight down without interference from the front cross member.

Second, the oil dipstick is located in a hole just above the braket for the oil filter on the front, driver's side of the engine.

Lastly, there is a "post" between the fan and the pully to which it mounts, which I was told was another give-away that this engine came from a car.

Other things that may or may not help: The truck was fit with a "mated" np435 and np 205 T-fer case that I am told was used on 77-79 era trucks. Please ask if there is anything else I should look at to assist...I'd just like to know what it came from before I start shopping headers in case tere are any little "secrets" I need to know.....

 

If your truck is a 67 F250 and was originally equipped with a V8, the engine you have is likely a 352. All 352, 360, 390 and 428 engines were based off the old 352 block and if I remember right they all had 352 cast into the front left side of the block in the fuel pump area. Pulling the valve covers may give you a clue also. Some 352's had adjustable rockers... same with 428's. 1967 was the last year for the 352 in a pickup and as far as I know.. the only FEV8 available that year. Another clue is 352's had a pentroof valve cover (flat surfaces) as opposed to rounded valve covers with
( Powered By Ford) stamped into them. I don't think there was any difference between them and a passenger car engine...there were millions of 352 fairlanes and galaxies made. The 360 made it's debut in 1968 as a light truck only engine and the 390 started out in 62 or 63 as a performance option for stuff like galaxy 500's, t birds and such, but didnt appear as a normal option in trucks til something like 1970. Both the 360 and the 390 disappeared at the end of the 1976 production year. FE 428's were rare in trucks and were a special order option... the last year for that engine was 1970 or early 71.

 

OOPS... forgot to mention headers....not that I'm trying to help Heddman in any way, but they make headers to fit 67-72 FE engined trucks and it doesnt make any difference what engine size it is... they all have the same exhaust flange layout... all the way from 352 to 428. The biggest paint in the butt is getting them past the starter on the right side... you may have to take the starter out, put the header in and re install the starter... otherwise they fit pretty good. It's been many years since I've put a set on one of these trucks but best I remember, you need to put double exhaust gaskets on them to get 'em to seal to the head good... before you take the old exhaust manifolds off... soak the upper bolt threads where they come through the manifold, with a good penetrating oil... several times, over several days and several engine heating and cooling cycles... you break one of these bolts and you'll be looking for a right angle drill, to drill out the broken bolt. They are bad to rust where the bolt sticks through and seize. The lower bolts almost never are a problem. Use never seize liberally when you put bolts back in....

 

Sounds just like my setup and it's bone stock so ?

 

The reversed motor mount may have been done by another owner who didn't pay attention when putting the motor back in. I almost made the same mistake when putting my new motor back in. I know I have the same oil dipstick opening next to the oil filter adapter on the side of my brand new 390 FE from Checkers. I know the old motor had the same opening but it was plugged so they could use the opening in the oil pan. Please explain the "post". I have a 67 galaxie with a 390 and it doesn't have any "post" where you described. As for the mated tranny/transfer case. If the original tranny was shot it would have been easier to find a mated one in a junk yard. Or maybe the truck was auto originally and someone wanted stick so they swapped. Either way mated could have been easier to find so that was used. I know I looked for awhile for a local divorced transfer case for my truck.

 

I'm wondering about the oil dipstick location...could it be that they had the front stick location for vehicles that had a front sump in the oil pan? I've never seen a front sump FE but then never owned a car that had a front sump either....hatemakings/n is right on the probable reason for going with a mated 435/205 combo... much easier to find than the OEM divorced Dana/Spicer Mod 24 that came OE on the pre 73 trucks. If the guy had found a divorced 205 from a 73-77 truck to replace a trashed model 24 they still would have had to fab a mount for it as the divorced 205 mounts a little different than the OE t/case. So...The mated set up was kind of a no brainer, just some driveshaft changes and shift linkage changes.

 

The ONLY rear sump FE's were the 70's 4wd 360/390. ALL others were front sump, be it car or truck. No external difference between a car or truck FE, aside from the Stang/Fairlane 390's and the 428CJ heads. (just the exhaust bolt pattern there, the basic heads are the same as far as interchangeability is concerned)

 

The 390 was an optional motor starting in 68 vs the 360, 300 six or 240 six.

 

Thanks for all the info.....as for the "post" on the fan.....it's basically a metal "riser" that holds the fan out about 4 or 6 inches from the pulley....I never thought twice about it but a mechanic that was giving me an extimate for a clutch replacement seemed to freak out when he saw it.....of course, he also went on and on about how I would overheat without a fan shroud....and well, I've never had one and never had any real problems.....lol

As for the mated case.....the mounts are a real trick.....What they did was use one cross member under it, and of the 2 bolts that the tranny rides on, I can only get a nut on one (there is a metal flange too close to the bolt hole on the driver's side, making it impossible to add the second nut...I think there is a set of mounting holes on the side though...facing the driver's side beam....so I am seeking a metal shop out now to fabricate me a mount to hold that side steady.

 

All the FE's I've seen from trucks, had an aluminum spacer between the fan and pulley.

 

I've got a whole collection of Ford fan spacers. Tried to sell em on ebay but got no takers. Got em from about 1-1/2" to 4" long. These were used on various Fords nad Merc's thru out the 60's.

 

For what it's worth, I bought a 390 from a '75 3/4 ton 4x4. No, it wasn't a factory install. A p.o. put it there. Anyway, it's set up identical to yours, with the motor mounts backwards. I don't know why...

 

A car magazine did a test a few years back and they found that running a thermostatic clutch fan provided more power then a flex fan. Not to mention most flex fans brake up pretty bad when they reach higher RPM's. I know when I rebuilt my motor I found a gash in the inner fender that just happen to match the fan blade. Glad no one was under the hood when it went. Just food for thought. I don't have a fan shroud on my motor either cause of the body lift and I start to overheat if I sit too long. I'm also running aluminium heads and intake so I pay attention to my gauges and try to keep her moving.

 

A stainless flex fan goes flat (low pitch) at high rpms like down the highway and actually hinders radiator air flow if you run a shroud. I ran tests with and without the stainless flex fan and it ran cooler on the highway. Not a stat, plugged radiator (5 row staggered) or block problems either.
Best was with the stainless flex fan with a fan clutch.

 

I think the motor mounts were reversed to allow the "front sump" pan to be well clear of the front cross member....like I said, I can probably unbolt and just putt that thing straight down...no engine jacking required....Someone once told me that a "good bump" would cause the something up fromt to put a hole in a "front sump" configuration....I've already got the rear sump version with the pick up tube...I just need to replace the headers before swapping that....

On Fans.....when I first got this beast....it had a flex fan, my first day driving it, 1 or 2 blades decided to detach and imbed themselves in my brand new battery......now it's a rigid fan on the post, no shroud...no clutch. I've heard the clutch argument both ways....just like the shroud, some claim you will always have problems without them...others say tere is no need for them.....guess it all depends on where you live and your attitude! lol