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Old Oct 16, 2006 | 04:04 PM
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need advice on a fuel pump

i am converting my fuel injected 302 to carborated..and i have to replace the fuel pump because a fuel pressure regulator will not bring the psi down that much(i was told) but i wanted to know if an old mechanical fuel pump would work or if any one has any advice on this id appriciate it all..thanks
 
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Old Oct 16, 2006 | 04:42 PM
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i am converting my fuel injected 302 to carborated..and i have to replace the fuel pump because a fuel pressure regulator will not bring the psi down that much(i was told) but i wanted to know if an old mechanical fuel pump would work or if any one has any advice on this id appriciate it all..thanks
It might not be that big a thing. I will tell you what I did about ten years ago. I have an 82 E350 460 carburated 4V RV with a pump on the engine and no vapor bypass. I was having some fuel problems with it so I went to a salvage yard and got a Gas Tank with an electric pump in it out of an 87 van. I have run this system with the engine pump and electric pump in series with no problems. I have not confirmed this but I think the in-tank pump for the FI and carburated trucks are the same pump. I think they just stick a hi-pressure pump in between the low-pressure pump and the engine. 1990 and after they put a hi-pressure pump in the tank and none on the frame.
 

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Old Oct 17, 2006 | 11:57 AM
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so your saying the pump on the frame is the high pressure pump and if i take that off theirs still a pump in the tank? and that should put out enough psi for the carb? ... if so thats the best and only advice ive gotten
 
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Old Oct 17, 2006 | 12:17 PM
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so your saying the pump on the frame is the high pressure pump and if i take that off theirs still a pump in the tank?
Yes there is still a pump in the tank.
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and that should put out enough psi for the carb? ...
I think so but not 100% positive.

Also on the other hand you can buy adjustable fuel pressure regulators to adjust it to whatever you want while leaving the hi-pressure pump on the frame.
 
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Old Oct 18, 2006 | 11:55 AM
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that was my plan to begin with but i went the speed shop that i order all my parts from and he told me that their isnt a fuel pressure regulator that would bring the psi down that much. and if i can get one..from where? Jegs?
 
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You wouldn't want to run a high pressure pump than back it down. We're talking 40-45psi down to 3-5 psi. Just use a carb setup.

None of the EFI regulators I know of are that adjustable. They are ment to adjust between say 30-60psi for EFI applications (depends on which one).
 
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Old Oct 18, 2006 | 04:11 PM
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You wouldn't want to run a high pressure pump than back it down. We're talking 40-45psi down to 3-5 psi. Just use a carb setup.

None of the EFI regulators I know of are that adjustable. They are ment to adjust between say 30-60psi for EFI applications (depends on which one).
Adjustable Fuel Pressure Regulators from REDLINE are adjustable from 1.5-85 PSI.

Here is their URL:
http://www.redlineweber.com/html/fue...regulators.htm
 
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Old Oct 18, 2006 | 04:14 PM
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Wow, cool. But is it really right to have the high pressure pump operating like that? Wouldn't it cavitate? Since it's a return system, that pump doesn't have much of a load on it. If you cut the pressure off it'll be trying to pump 50+PSI but it can't and I wonder if it would have trouble with that.

I wonder if ditching the high pressure pump and just using the intake pump would be the right way to go...using a carb pressure regulator.
 

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Old Oct 18, 2006 | 05:36 PM
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But is it really right to have the high pressure pump operating like that?
A pump pressure is controlled by its backpressure. A high-pressure pump? This is just specification of the amount of back pressure it can work against without stalling.
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Wouldn’t it cavitate?
I do not think that 3-5 psi is high enough to cavitate.
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Since it's a return system, that pump doesn't have much of a load on it.
It would operate at a higher rpm as the back pressure would determine its RPM. This could lead to an early failure.
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If you cut the pressure off it'll be trying to pump 50+PSI but it can't and I wonder if it would have trouble with that.
No pump tries to pump at any set pressure.
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I wonder if ditching the high pressure pump and just using the intake pump would be the right way to go...using a carb pressure regulator.
Yes I think the in-tank pumps would be about right for the carb floats.
 

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Old Oct 19, 2006 | 06:31 PM
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ok..so the best idea is to remove the pump on the frame and put a fuel regulator on it?
 
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Old Oct 19, 2006 | 06:32 PM
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thanks alot for the info!
 
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Old Oct 19, 2006 | 08:14 PM
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ok..so the best idea is to remove the pump on the frame and put a fuel regulator on it?
If you remove the pump from the frame you will not need a regulator.
 
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Why is that?

Do we know what pressure the intank pump would make at the carb? What if it's still like 10-15psi? Wouldn't it need to be regulated down to the 3-5 or whatever for the carb?
 
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Why is that?

Do we know what pressure the intank pump would make at the carb? What if it's still like 10-15psi? Wouldn't it need to be regulated down to the 3-5 or whatever for the carb?
The in-tank pumps fuel pressure is used to change the Fuel selector valve, the shop manual say do not exceed 5 psi while testing the valve or you will rupture the diaphragm. So I would think that the fuel pressure is 5 psi or under.
 
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Old Oct 20, 2006 | 04:24 PM
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Cool......
 
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