Well, I have a 65 F100 with a 2bbl 352 in it. Now I wana make moster amouts of lowend torgue. Something that will push you into the seat untill you let of the gas. So I was thinking about the Edelbrock Performer Package. But if I could get as much info on makin lowend, I could find the right parts myself and do it that way. Any suddjestions?

Brandon

P.S. This isnt my daily driver so it doesnt matter how long it takes to learn.

 

Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but if you bore it I think you could put a 428 crank in it and get all kinds of lowend. Of coarse then you have to get different pisons and rods, but not too big of a deal. (just money) Looking at my book I see that the only difference in the FE's is the stroke and the bore. Bore can be easily changed as long as the block is in good shape and you don't try to bore it to a 428 or something like that.

 

Make a 428 out of it. Depending on the cylinder walls. You could make a 410 but pistons are a little hard to come by. If you are going to make a 428, I would use a truck block like a D3 or a D4 for starters. But the real Q is "How much do you want to spend"?

 

Nah, i wana keep it stock, just make it push better torque. I like the exprections on peoples faces when I say "352". The only person ive met who even guess right at the munfaturer was a NAPA guy. But anyway, I keep the bore, and stroke. That way I can easly (thats comparetivly speaking) back to stock if i wanted to.

Bushido

 

Well I think that you should call up Oregon Cam Grinders and tell them what you are trying to do and Ken can punch you out a cam that would make you cry LOL. To me some of the ED stuff is run of the mill and I think you could do better then that. JMO

http://www.oregoncamshaft.com/

 

If you want low-end, stick with the Edelbrock Performer intake, not the RPM.

On the other hand, you could use a stock cast-iron 4bbl intake, it's basically the same thing.

A 4bbl, like a 600 cfm will give better low-end than the 2bbl, because it's primary venturies are smaller than the 2bbl's, giving faster flow at low-end.

As to the cam, other guys here need to chime in on that

A custom cam is not such a bad idea...

 

Here's how I'd hop it up:

4 barrel intake, Holley 600cfm vacuum secondary carburetor
Headers, dual exhaust
Crane or Comp camshaft. Stay away from Melling or equivalent cams. I honestly dont think a custom camshaft is worth the money here.

 

I think that you will find out that the Oregon cams will be compairable to any of those others for price or a little cheaper (He has off the shelf shafts)! And get kick butt stick!

 

I like the idea of custom or near custom cam to be honest. See I wana get that idle the feels like, and sounds like a beast is under the hood. But I wana keep or increase my low-mid range torque. If that made any sence.

I had read some where that Performer intake was basically an aluminum version of the stock intake. Thats why I was also thinking about RPM intake from edelbrock, somthing of that sort from any of the manuefactures. I'd like something that would breath better then stock if possible.

I had planned on putting long tubed headers on it. My question about exhaust would be, is a 2 1/4" dual to small, or should I bump up to 2 1/2-3" duals? And also before I forget, would porting and polishing my heads do alot? I was thinking about getting some aftermarket down the road, but not sure if its really worth it.

I appreciate all the help guys.

Brandon

 

You want the impossible! Bigger cam = rougher idle. Of course, there's some things you can do with the timing, either to cover up a big cam, or to make a small one sound big.

A bigger intake will reduce your low to midrange torque. Maybe not noticably, but it will. Bigger ports = lower velocity. That said, I'm running the Performer RPM on my 390, along with a Crane 343941. It does not lack low end torque or upper end HP. Would a custom have worked better? Maybe. But the Crane 343941 definately does the job very well in my motor.

I'm sure Oregon Cams does good work, as they seem to have a good reputation. It's just that I'm a bit dubious about any place that doesn't post cam specs on the internet. For a while I hesitated to recommend Comp cams because some of their cams did not have specs listed.

FE352, if you like, I can run some Desktop Dyno simulations to help you find the best cam specs. Of course, the results that it spits out will most likely be very different than what others may recommend. Just be sure to compare prices and cost / benefit. If the custom cam really is lower cost than a Crane or Comp, then great, go for it! Be sure you get all the specs on it first.

 

The stock 352 bore of 4.00" is to narrow for the use of a 3.78" (390) crank without custom pistons and a 3.98" (428) crank without custom rods and pistons. If you bore the block .050 over, you can use all Ford parts with either a 3.78" stroke crank for 390 CID or a 3.98" stroke crank for 410 CID. To bore to 4.13" is iffy at best, even with a really good block. If you want torque go with a stock duration cam with more lift (.500") than stock. A stock 4 barrel manifold with a 600 CFM vacuum secondary carb will make more low end torque than a 2 barrel.

 

Time for a roller cam.

Lots of lift, short duration...

 

rusty70f100, well I'd take you up on your offer, but... I'm still so new at this that it will take me forever to figure out what all the specs you need are. I would say, if your will to, just plug in Edelbrocks Performer Package specs. I'll see if I can't get everything you'd need.

As for boring over and stroking. I would like to, but I have this thing about doing somthing to a stock engine that can't be reversed. This engine only has 55,000 miles on it, and thats straight from the factory. What I'm thinking about doing is pulling that engine so I can restore it, and finding my self a 390 and making a 410 or bigger if I can. Stuff that under the hood for the fun stuff, so I can put the origanal back if the occation requires it. Make any sence?

Now I thought you could stroke the engine and leave the bore. Wich would give you a 360? Thanks for all the help.

Brandon

 

It makes a lot of sense

Making a 360 out of it isn't going to get you much That's the same stroke, bigger bore by a measly .050".

If you could go to the 390's stroke, that would certainly help.

The easiest way to do that is build a 390, and keep the original 352 in the garage ... Of course, then, you have to wonder if you could go 410 or 428... Hmmmm....

 

If I'm gana go with more cubes, I'm gana go way more cubes. Why go half way when I could stuff as much as the truck will handle? I think a 428 would be great. I'll have to make a trip to the grave yard one of these days. Or could I buy a long block?

Brandon