NEW intake idea!
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NEW intake idea!
Tell me what you all think. I think the tbi that the thing bolts to (chevy)
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/88-95...QQcmdZViewItem is about 4 inches. I was thinking that these could fit well and it would put a swirl into the intake and create a toilet bowl velocity of the air (maybe not, but sounds good). then you could add as big of filter as you want. what i want to do is buy two, ones that have the hole on the opposite sides. then cut them in half and have them welded together. Then you could have a dual intake/filter setting. Use piping, aircraft quality ducting, or whatever.
you could get creative and duct them into the front blinker housings. Then just put an inline filter and wire mesh over the front.
tell me what you guys think, yay, or nay?
I am thinking of going with a snorkel myself now that I think about it.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/88-95...QQcmdZViewItem is about 4 inches. I was thinking that these could fit well and it would put a swirl into the intake and create a toilet bowl velocity of the air (maybe not, but sounds good). then you could add as big of filter as you want. what i want to do is buy two, ones that have the hole on the opposite sides. then cut them in half and have them welded together. Then you could have a dual intake/filter setting. Use piping, aircraft quality ducting, or whatever.
you could get creative and duct them into the front blinker housings. Then just put an inline filter and wire mesh over the front.
tell me what you guys think, yay, or nay?
I am thinking of going with a snorkel myself now that I think about it.
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You'll probably want to check, but I'm pretty sure that kit is just the filter, the straight piece of tube, the short blue rubber piece to attach the tube to the intake, and a couple of other small pieces of hardware.
I don't think that the piece that bolts down to the manifold/carb/throttle body is included. If it is, this might not be a bad idea - if you can do the "dual" setup your'e taliking about - because the tubes are only 3" (compared to the stock 4")
I don't think that the piece that bolts down to the manifold/carb/throttle body is included. If it is, this might not be a bad idea - if you can do the "dual" setup your'e taliking about - because the tubes are only 3" (compared to the stock 4")
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I would, but seriously I dont have the money. I just started this new job here towing. I moved in about three weeks ago and started my new job as a tow truck driver in spokane, wa. I have to buy my own lockout kit ($270) and then get some new work cloths. put fuel in the camaro, pay rent, and get the stupid filter, air in line depriming thing fixed.
after all this and I save up some emergency money I may order two kits and try and find a welder.
lets see...2x 3" = 1 x area of 14.12 cubic inches vs. 1 x 4" = 1 x 12.566 cubic inches
hmmm what about those dual inlet high output mustang air cleaners...?...
after all this and I save up some emergency money I may order two kits and try and find a welder.
lets see...2x 3" = 1 x area of 14.12 cubic inches vs. 1 x 4" = 1 x 12.566 cubic inches
hmmm what about those dual inlet high output mustang air cleaners...?...
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Originally Posted by 2New2Fords
lets see...2x 3" = 1 x area of 14.12 cubic inches vs. 1 x 4" = 1 x 12.566 cubic inches
hmmm what about those dual inlet high output mustang air cleaners...?...
hmmm what about those dual inlet high output mustang air cleaners...?...
The dual inlet idea is a good one. I'm going to get a second air cleaner from a wrecking yard, cut the inlet off of it, and "graft" it onto my existing one. That ought to increase the incoming flow.
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I have a pic of that chevy setup bolted onto a 6.9 Diesel. I also have another pic of a dual intake system that I saw online. I don't know about the dual system or where the guy got the kit...maybe even a custom job but it sure is nice! I'm not on my home computer right now but when I get home this evening I will post them up for ya guys.
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Actually, I doubt any of that stuff is going to outflow the original round air cleaner. As long as it's got the big hole in the bottom and a small or removed soup bowl it's pretty good.
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2New2Fords, one other thing I forgot to mention - the "swirling" the air thing is really only beneficial to engines with a carburator or throttle body injection. It helps a little with atomization of the fuel - but only if the fuel is being mixed with the air right at the entrance to the manifold.
For our diesels or any V engine with an MPI system - where the fuel is injected at the intake valves - the swirling motion doesn't do much if anything because by the time the airflow makes the 90* turn at the manifold entrance and then travels down the intake runners to the cylinders the swirling motion is pretty much killed by the changes in direction that the air has to make to get there.
About the only way for it still have any significant swirling motion when it reaches the cylinders is if you have individual intake runners that are fairly straight with basically no plenum (common chamber shared by all of them) or at least a plenum with a flow that is in-line with the runners coming off the plenum (no 90* turns). That type of intake setup is fairly rare.
Just wanted to make sure you don't get sucked in by the "Tornado" or similar intake devices. They may add swirl, but they also add intake restriction....
For our diesels or any V engine with an MPI system - where the fuel is injected at the intake valves - the swirling motion doesn't do much if anything because by the time the airflow makes the 90* turn at the manifold entrance and then travels down the intake runners to the cylinders the swirling motion is pretty much killed by the changes in direction that the air has to make to get there.
About the only way for it still have any significant swirling motion when it reaches the cylinders is if you have individual intake runners that are fairly straight with basically no plenum (common chamber shared by all of them) or at least a plenum with a flow that is in-line with the runners coming off the plenum (no 90* turns). That type of intake setup is fairly rare.
Just wanted to make sure you don't get sucked in by the "Tornado" or similar intake devices. They may add swirl, but they also add intake restriction....
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Originally Posted by Spectramac
Actually, I doubt any of that stuff is going to outflow the original round air cleaner. As long as it's got the big hole in the bottom and a small or removed soup bowl it's pretty good.
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All I can say is my turbo doesn't pull hard enough to show any restriction (unless the filter starts getting dirty). 
Only bad part about the ATS turbo kits, they use those small flat air cleaners that get dirty fast. Use a K&N and it'll dust out the engine (unless you clean it every week).
Only bad part about the ATS turbo kits, they use those small flat air cleaners that get dirty fast. Use a K&N and it'll dust out the engine (unless you clean it every week).
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Yeah, but those of us without a spool are looking to get a little POSITIVE air pressure from ram-air
Have you actually measured the vacuum between the filter and the turbo? How did you do it? Install a port for the vac guage?
Have you actually measured the vacuum between the filter and the turbo? How did you do it? Install a port for the vac guage?
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Originally Posted by CheaperJeeper
2New2Fords, one other thing I forgot to mention - the "swirling" the air thing is really only beneficial to engines with a carburator or throttle body injection. It helps a little with atomization of the fuel - but only if the fuel is being mixed with the air right at the entrance to the manifold.
For our diesels or any V engine with an MPI system - where the fuel is injected at the intake valves - the swirling motion doesn't do much if anything because by the time the airflow makes the 90* turn at the manifold entrance and then travels down the intake runners to the cylinders the swirling motion is pretty much killed by the changes in direction that the air has to make to get there.
About the only way for it still have any significant swirling motion when it reaches the cylinders is if you have individual intake runners that are fairly straight with basically no plenum (common chamber shared by all of them) or at least a plenum with a flow that is in-line with the runners coming off the plenum (no 90* turns). That type of intake setup is fairly rare.
Just wanted to make sure you don't get sucked in by the "Tornado" or similar intake devices. They may add swirl, but they also add intake restriction....
For our diesels or any V engine with an MPI system - where the fuel is injected at the intake valves - the swirling motion doesn't do much if anything because by the time the airflow makes the 90* turn at the manifold entrance and then travels down the intake runners to the cylinders the swirling motion is pretty much killed by the changes in direction that the air has to make to get there.
About the only way for it still have any significant swirling motion when it reaches the cylinders is if you have individual intake runners that are fairly straight with basically no plenum (common chamber shared by all of them) or at least a plenum with a flow that is in-line with the runners coming off the plenum (no 90* turns). That type of intake setup is fairly rare.
Just wanted to make sure you don't get sucked in by the "Tornado" or similar intake devices. They may add swirl, but they also add intake restriction....
anyway, the swirling I was talking about was in order to keep the velocity of the air high as it goes into the plenum. it wasnt for atomization. I think it would be better if the air kindof swirled in with one swirl and then created a syphoning effect for the rest of the air(since our engines dont suck air, they just create a void for the atmospheric pressure to fill) then it would be kind of like a smooth 90 degree angle, instead of a sharp corner.
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I was talking with the parts specialist at work, and he suggested using corrugated house gutter system drain pipe (the type without the holes). It's 4 inches in diameter, which is the diameter of the largest cone air filter out there (that I know of). It's flexible, it's cheap, and it's made of the same material that wire loom is made of, so it shouldn't melt. If I ran the pipe from behind the grille to the intake manifold, would I be able to bold this to a plate that would bolt directly to the IM? Does anyone think that this might even work as an intake?
