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dmanlyr,
Where do they get the GCWR from for the inspection? That data is in the owner's manual for most vehicles but in the case of the original poster's truck as well as mine (both are 1995 models with Power Stroke Diesel) there are no ratings given.
There are the usual GVWR and the front and rear axle ratings in the door jam, but no combined tow rating for this combination in the owner's manual. The ratings do appear in the '97 manual, I believe, and are set at 20,000 GCWR for my particular combination.
Gene
Where do they get the GCWR from for the inspection? That data is in the owner's manual for most vehicles but in the case of the original poster's truck as well as mine (both are 1995 models with Power Stroke Diesel) there are no ratings given.
There are the usual GVWR and the front and rear axle ratings in the door jam, but no combined tow rating for this combination in the owner's manual. The ratings do appear in the '97 manual, I believe, and are set at 20,000 GCWR for my particular combination.
Gene
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Originally Posted by dmanlyr
firesouolmatt - You have not read my entire post. Please note that i am indeed correct in reguards to COMMERCIAL VEHICALS. I am also correct in reguards to PRIVATE VEHICALS. Note that the recreational vehical laws I am talking about apply only to WA state, the commercial vehical laws apply to all states. (Under the uniform commercial vehical laws)
If you are stopped for a COMMERCIAL vehical inspection at your local state DMV scale and inspected, you wil be stopped and parked if your have exceeded your tow vehical's GCWR - REGUARDLESS of what you are licensed for. COMMERCAIL vehical enforcement is much more strick and they will even check individual axles for having the capacity to carry the load.
I also stated that if towing privatly then you can license your rig for whatever you want, and no one pays attention -
Please note that "COMMERCIAL" is highlighted. It makes all the difference in the world and I thought that I had made that clear on my earlier post. If hauling for someone else (common carrier) or leasing out the truck to a company (commecial use) then for sure this would fall under the commercial vehical rules and inspections.
David
If you are stopped for a COMMERCIAL vehical inspection at your local state DMV scale and inspected, you wil be stopped and parked if your have exceeded your tow vehical's GCWR - REGUARDLESS of what you are licensed for. COMMERCAIL vehical enforcement is much more strick and they will even check individual axles for having the capacity to carry the load.
I also stated that if towing privatly then you can license your rig for whatever you want, and no one pays attention -
Please note that "COMMERCIAL" is highlighted. It makes all the difference in the world and I thought that I had made that clear on my earlier post. If hauling for someone else (common carrier) or leasing out the truck to a company (commecial use) then for sure this would fall under the commercial vehical rules and inspections.
David
The tractors nor the trailers had a GVW or GCVW that high.
We had however bought a permit for that weight.
Spending that few dollars ($15 I think it was) made us LEGAL and therefore SAFE.
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No Gene ... but thats not the point. Point is .... plated or permitted weight is what counts, not what any manufacturer rates these trucks at. In *MOST* cases vehicles are plated at or below manufacturers rateings to keep the price down. Commerical vehicles are plated for what they are expected to do. 26,000 pounds is one of the more popular cut offs because anything OVER that needs a CDL. 80,000 pounds is another popular one because that is the legal weight you can scale on 5 axles and run the interstates without any extra permits. 162,000 pounds is one used here in MI a LOT because we allow 11 axles here and more weight. The same truck that is plated for 26,000 by some companies is plated at 162,000 by others.
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Yeah, I'm aware of that, but your original post made it sound as though all you had to do was get a permit for 200,000# and away you go. There are limits on what is allowed per axle as well.
I'm still thinking that hauling a 22,000# trailer with a 1995 one ton truck isn't going to be a smart thing to do.
Gene
I'm still thinking that hauling a 22,000# trailer with a 1995 one ton truck isn't going to be a smart thing to do.
Gene
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There are things that a resident of a state with a vehicle registered in that state can do if they stay within state boundries. But once you start crossing state lines the Federal Rules kick in and things you could get away with in your state of residence are not allowed in other states.
A couple of examples: In some states you can pull two trailers at once with a pickup or SUV but in other states that is illegal and if you travel thru them that way you will be stopped and ticketed; another example is triple trailer semi's, they are legal in some states but not the majority of states, and they must be broken up into single or double trailes before they can proceed into a state that does not allow triple trailers.
My main point is that you can do things Intrastate as a resident that you cannot do Interstate as a non-resident. So if you are going to travel interstate with various loads (especially as a commercial venture) you better read the Federal Rules and the rules of each state you are passing thru to avoid suprises and inconvient traffic stops.
A couple of examples: In some states you can pull two trailers at once with a pickup or SUV but in other states that is illegal and if you travel thru them that way you will be stopped and ticketed; another example is triple trailer semi's, they are legal in some states but not the majority of states, and they must be broken up into single or double trailes before they can proceed into a state that does not allow triple trailers.
My main point is that you can do things Intrastate as a resident that you cannot do Interstate as a non-resident. So if you are going to travel interstate with various loads (especially as a commercial venture) you better read the Federal Rules and the rules of each state you are passing thru to avoid suprises and inconvient traffic stops.
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I thought we were in a Ford 4 (maybe 6) wheelforum, NOT an 18 wheeler forum!
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