Remember this and never forget
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Remember this and never forget
Picture courtsey of Serious One
This what we had before, please don't the future generations forget.
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6 years, 8 months Time it took to build the World Trade Center, from 1966 to 1973
1 hour, 42 minutes Time it took to destroy the towers, from the first impact to the second collapse
180 m.p.h. Speed at which a Boeing 707 could hit the towers but still not destroy them, under the official engineering plan
470 m.p.h., 590 m.p.h. Estimated flight speeds of the two Boeing 767 jets that hit the towers
0.9 Magnitude of the earthquake-like tremor caused by the impact of American Airlines Flight 11 hitting the north tower
1800[degrees]F Estimated temperature of the fires ignited by the jet fuel
1022[degrees]F Temperature at which steel loses half its strength; it melts at about 2500[degrees]F
2.3 Magnitude of the tremor caused by the collapse of the north tower, measured from 21 miles away
60 Police officers killed; 37 Port Authority, 23 N.Y.P.D.
343 New York City fire fighters killed; 60 were off duty
658 Cantor Fitzgerald employees killed
10 Bystanders killed by falling debris
19,858 Body parts recovered from the site; 4,598 have been identified
379,036 Ounces of gold recovered from the Bank of Nova Scotia vault (current value: $118.5 million)
3 Auguste Rodin sculptures recovered from the rubble
144 Rings, among the 65,000 personal items recovered from ground zero. Other items include 437 watches, 77 necklaces, 119 earrings and 80 bracelets
4 Autographed baseballs found
16 People who escaped the south tower from above the floors where the plane hit
0 People who escaped the north tower from above the floors where the plane hit
18 Survivors found in the rubble: 12 fire fighters, three police officers, three civilians. All were found by Sept. 12
92 Bomb threats phoned in to police in New York City on Sept. 11
6 Looting arrests in New York City on Sept. 11; by Oct. 11, 54 more had been made
$4 billion to $6 billion Expected total payout of government compensation to victims' families
$2,235,997 Government estimate of the value--before subtracting insurance, pensions or other benefits--of a 25-year-old man with one child, making $50,000 a year at the time of his death
$1.36 million Average payment to first 25 families who applied
116,000 American flags sold by Wal-Mart on Sept. 11, 2001
6,400 American flags sold by Wal-Mart on Sept. 11, 2000
76% New York City public-school students who reported that six months later, they still frequently thought about the Sept. 11 attacks
3.6 million Estimated number of tourists who will have visited ground zero by the end of this year
The initial numbers are indelible: 8:46 a.m. and 9:02 a.m. Time the burning towers stood: 56 minutes and 102 minutes. Time they took to fall: 12 seconds. From there, they ripple out.
* Total number killed in attacks (official figure as of 9/5/02): 2,819
* Number of firefighters and paramedics killed: 343
* Number of NYPD officers: 23
* Number of Port Authority police officers: 37
* Number of WTC companies that lost people: 60
* Number of employees who died in Tower One: 1,402
* Number of employees who died in Tower Two: 614
* Number of employees lost at Cantor Fitzgerald: 658
* Number of U.S. troops killed in Operation Enduring Freedom: 22
* Number of nations whose citizens were killed in attacks: 115
* Ratio of men to women who died: 3:1
* Age of the greatest number who died: between 35 and 39
* Bodies found "intact": 289
* Body parts found: 19,858
* Number of families who got no remains: 1,717
* Estimated units of blood donated to the New York Blood Center: 36,000
* Total units of donated blood actually used: 258
* Number of people who lost a spouse or partner in the attacks: 1,609
* Estimated number of children who lost a parent: 3,051
* Percentage of Americans who knew someone hurt or killed in the attacks: 20
* FDNY retirements, January–July 2001: 274
* FDNY retirements, January–July 2002: 661
* Number of firefighters on leave for respiratory problems by January 2002: 300
* Number of funerals attended by Rudy Giuliani in 2001: 200
* Number of FDNY vehicles destroyed: 98
* Tons of debris removed from site: 1,506,124
* Days fires continued to burn after the attack: 99
* Jobs lost in New York owing to the attacks: 146,100
* Days the New York Stock Exchange was closed: 6
* Point drop in the Dow Jones industrial average when the NYSE reopened: 684.81
* Days after 9/11 that the U.S. began bombing Afghanistan: 26
* Total number of hate crimes reported to the Council on American-Islamic Relations nationwide since 9/11: 1,714
* Economic loss to New York in month following the attacks: $105 billion
* Estimated cost of cleanup: $600 million
* Total FEMA money spent on the emergency: $970 million
* Estimated amount donated to 9/11 charities: $1.4 billion
* Estimated amount of insurance paid worldwide related to 9/11: $40.2 billion
* Estimated amount of money needed to overhaul lower-Manhattan subways: $7.5 billion
* Amount of money recently granted by U.S. government to overhaul lower-Manhattan subways: $4.55 billion
* Estimated amount of money raised for funds dedicated to NYPD and FDNY families: $500 million
* Percentage of total charity money raised going to FDNY and NYPD families: 25
* Average benefit already received by each FDNY and NYPD widow: $1 million
* Percentage increase in law-school applications from 2001 to 2002: 17.9
* Percentage increase in Peace Corps applications from 2001 to 2002: 40
* Percentage increase in CIA applications from 2001 to 2002: 50
* Number of songs Clear Channel Radio considered "inappropriate" to play after 9/11: 150
* Number of mentions of 9/11 at the Oscars: 26
* Apartments in lower Manhattan eligible for asbestos cleanup: 30,000
* Number of apartments whose residents have requested cleanup and testing: 4,110
* Number of Americans who changed their 2001 holiday-travel plans from plane to train or car: 1.4 million
* Estimated number of New Yorkers suffering from post-traumatic-stress disorder as a result of 9/11: 422,000
1 hour, 42 minutes Time it took to destroy the towers, from the first impact to the second collapse
180 m.p.h. Speed at which a Boeing 707 could hit the towers but still not destroy them, under the official engineering plan
470 m.p.h., 590 m.p.h. Estimated flight speeds of the two Boeing 767 jets that hit the towers
0.9 Magnitude of the earthquake-like tremor caused by the impact of American Airlines Flight 11 hitting the north tower
1800[degrees]F Estimated temperature of the fires ignited by the jet fuel
1022[degrees]F Temperature at which steel loses half its strength; it melts at about 2500[degrees]F
2.3 Magnitude of the tremor caused by the collapse of the north tower, measured from 21 miles away
60 Police officers killed; 37 Port Authority, 23 N.Y.P.D.
343 New York City fire fighters killed; 60 were off duty
658 Cantor Fitzgerald employees killed
10 Bystanders killed by falling debris
19,858 Body parts recovered from the site; 4,598 have been identified
379,036 Ounces of gold recovered from the Bank of Nova Scotia vault (current value: $118.5 million)
3 Auguste Rodin sculptures recovered from the rubble
144 Rings, among the 65,000 personal items recovered from ground zero. Other items include 437 watches, 77 necklaces, 119 earrings and 80 bracelets
4 Autographed baseballs found
16 People who escaped the south tower from above the floors where the plane hit
0 People who escaped the north tower from above the floors where the plane hit
18 Survivors found in the rubble: 12 fire fighters, three police officers, three civilians. All were found by Sept. 12
92 Bomb threats phoned in to police in New York City on Sept. 11
6 Looting arrests in New York City on Sept. 11; by Oct. 11, 54 more had been made
$4 billion to $6 billion Expected total payout of government compensation to victims' families
$2,235,997 Government estimate of the value--before subtracting insurance, pensions or other benefits--of a 25-year-old man with one child, making $50,000 a year at the time of his death
$1.36 million Average payment to first 25 families who applied
116,000 American flags sold by Wal-Mart on Sept. 11, 2001
6,400 American flags sold by Wal-Mart on Sept. 11, 2000
76% New York City public-school students who reported that six months later, they still frequently thought about the Sept. 11 attacks
3.6 million Estimated number of tourists who will have visited ground zero by the end of this year
The initial numbers are indelible: 8:46 a.m. and 9:02 a.m. Time the burning towers stood: 56 minutes and 102 minutes. Time they took to fall: 12 seconds. From there, they ripple out.
* Total number killed in attacks (official figure as of 9/5/02): 2,819
* Number of firefighters and paramedics killed: 343
* Number of NYPD officers: 23
* Number of Port Authority police officers: 37
* Number of WTC companies that lost people: 60
* Number of employees who died in Tower One: 1,402
* Number of employees who died in Tower Two: 614
* Number of employees lost at Cantor Fitzgerald: 658
* Number of U.S. troops killed in Operation Enduring Freedom: 22
* Number of nations whose citizens were killed in attacks: 115
* Ratio of men to women who died: 3:1
* Age of the greatest number who died: between 35 and 39
* Bodies found "intact": 289
* Body parts found: 19,858
* Number of families who got no remains: 1,717
* Estimated units of blood donated to the New York Blood Center: 36,000
* Total units of donated blood actually used: 258
* Number of people who lost a spouse or partner in the attacks: 1,609
* Estimated number of children who lost a parent: 3,051
* Percentage of Americans who knew someone hurt or killed in the attacks: 20
* FDNY retirements, January–July 2001: 274
* FDNY retirements, January–July 2002: 661
* Number of firefighters on leave for respiratory problems by January 2002: 300
* Number of funerals attended by Rudy Giuliani in 2001: 200
* Number of FDNY vehicles destroyed: 98
* Tons of debris removed from site: 1,506,124
* Days fires continued to burn after the attack: 99
* Jobs lost in New York owing to the attacks: 146,100
* Days the New York Stock Exchange was closed: 6
* Point drop in the Dow Jones industrial average when the NYSE reopened: 684.81
* Days after 9/11 that the U.S. began bombing Afghanistan: 26
* Total number of hate crimes reported to the Council on American-Islamic Relations nationwide since 9/11: 1,714
* Economic loss to New York in month following the attacks: $105 billion
* Estimated cost of cleanup: $600 million
* Total FEMA money spent on the emergency: $970 million
* Estimated amount donated to 9/11 charities: $1.4 billion
* Estimated amount of insurance paid worldwide related to 9/11: $40.2 billion
* Estimated amount of money needed to overhaul lower-Manhattan subways: $7.5 billion
* Amount of money recently granted by U.S. government to overhaul lower-Manhattan subways: $4.55 billion
* Estimated amount of money raised for funds dedicated to NYPD and FDNY families: $500 million
* Percentage of total charity money raised going to FDNY and NYPD families: 25
* Average benefit already received by each FDNY and NYPD widow: $1 million
* Percentage increase in law-school applications from 2001 to 2002: 17.9
* Percentage increase in Peace Corps applications from 2001 to 2002: 40
* Percentage increase in CIA applications from 2001 to 2002: 50
* Number of songs Clear Channel Radio considered "inappropriate" to play after 9/11: 150
* Number of mentions of 9/11 at the Oscars: 26
* Apartments in lower Manhattan eligible for asbestos cleanup: 30,000
* Number of apartments whose residents have requested cleanup and testing: 4,110
* Number of Americans who changed their 2001 holiday-travel plans from plane to train or car: 1.4 million
* Estimated number of New Yorkers suffering from post-traumatic-stress disorder as a result of 9/11: 422,000
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An account from an FDNY dispatcher ...his view from 9/11 inside the radio room
Quote:
The Day the World Stood Still
Tuesday, September 11, 2001.
It was Primary Day and I was going to my union office to help our chosen candidate. Around 0840 I'm making my way down 7th Ave when I hear a jet plane overhead. Not a common occurrence in Manhattan but not outside the realm of possibility. I thought to myself that it sounded a little low. (Little did I know I was correct.) Minutes later I started hearing sirens. Coming from all directions they appeared to be heading south and west. Police cars, unmarked cars, and ambulances started forming convoys down 7th Ave. With nary a clue as to what had occurred I made my way to the union office.
In the lobby the doorman had a TV on. On the screen was what looked like a scene from "The Towering Inferno". Fire and smoke were billowing from the upper floors of tower 1. My immediate reaction is unprintable. My second thought was that I had to get to the Manhattan CO as they must have been going through hell. I wandered out into the street to find a cab, my head in a daze knowing full well what to expect when I get to the office.
While cruising uptown in what must have been the slowest cab ride ever recorded I gathered my thoughts, tried to control the adrenaline that was rushing into my system, and thought about that other fateful day in 1993. The cab driver was listening to a local all news station. Then I heard about the second plane. The situation must have been pure bedlam in the office.
I arrived at the Manhattan CO around 0940. A dispatcher was standing outside in tears. She had taken some calls from people above the fire floor. They begged, pleaded, cried for help but all exits were blocked by fire. On the news they showed pictures of people jumping to their deaths rather than being burned alive. It was overwhelming her.
Inside, the situation was serious but not totally chaotic. They had just transmitted a second alarm over and above the 2 fifth alarms already out. We had to pull units from Queens and Brooklyn just to make the required 8 engines and 5 trucks. Then the unthinkable happened. A voice on the radio screamed that 2 WTC was collapsing. (The TV was turned off prior to this.) Not being able to see what was happening I thought to myself that it must have been the top part of the building cut off by the plane that had fallen down. The radio went eerily silent. "Manhattan calling Field Comm. Manhattan to any chief at the WTC."
It wasn't just the top of the building. It was the entire 110-story building falling into a classic pancake collapse. People down below had just barely enough time to start running when the building started collapsing. The force of the debris hitting the ground was tremendous. People thrown about like rag dolls. Windows were blown out everywhere. A dust cloud rose high enough to be seen by the International Space Station.
In Brooklyn, units were assembling at the entrance to the Battery Tunnel in preparation for coming to Manhattan. Engine 228 was already on the Manhattan side when the tower fell. The dust cloud over took them and they made an urgent transmission to Brooklyn saying that no one should enter the tunnel at this time; visibility was zero. Another radio transmission to Brooklyn reported a collapse in the tunnel.
Fortunately this report was erroneous. About 30 minutes later tower 1 fell.
The next few hours were a blur to me. I was one of 24 people in the office: 12 dispatchers, 8 supervisors, a borough supervisor, both deputy directors, and the director of dispatch operations. There was too much going on to focus on the big picture so I zoned in on the tasks I was given by the deputy directors who tried their best to orchestrate the entire incident.
To break the tension we rotated positions a lot. Many dispatchers took turns at the radio and the telephones. We went outside to get some air quite a bit too. The streets surrounding all of the central offices were barricaded and police were stationed outside. It seemed so surreal. The mighty towers had been reduced to a pile of rubble, the streets of Manhattan deserted, F-16's flying overhead, and the possibility that we lost at least 10 alarms worth of fire fighters and apparatus. (40 engines, 16 ladders, 10 battalions)
With a massive search and recovery mission ahead of them the department instituted off duty recall and fire fighters went to a 24-on, 24-off schedule. All surplus members from every house either staffed a spare apparatus or were transported to Ground Zero.
I was scheduled for a day tour the next day in Brooklyn so I went off duty at 2200 hours. The ride to the Times Square subway station was spooky. There were very few cars on the road and pedestrians were conspicuous by their absence. The normally crowded Times Square had more police than tourists. On the subway platform, only the occasional passing of a train pierced the silence. No one was talking very much. There was a certain amount of paranoia in the air. I must have envisioned every subway disaster I'd ever seen in a movie during the ride. (E.g. The Taking of Pelham 123, etc.)
In Brooklyn on Wednesday the situation was pretty bad. About half of our resources were in Manhattan;
most wouldn't be coming back for a while. Luckily, someone had arranged for mutual aid from New Jersey. We had dozens of rigs from all over the state. Some came from paid departments, some volunteer. We had apparatus from Elizabeth, Summit, Cedar Grove, Bloomfield, Montclair, Piscataway, Edison Twp, Belleville, Newark, Manalapan, and many others whose names I can't recall. They couldn't hook up to our hydrants, nor could they operate on our radio frequency. But they had booster tanks, water cans, tools and portable ladders that were better than nothing had they not been there.
Because of the lack of interoperability we assigned them to firehouses in which there already was a FDNY apparatus in full service. They were instructed to turn out and operate as a team. As units came back from Manhattan we reassigned mutual aid companies to other firehouses. Some of these companies saw 3 or 4 firehouses in different neighborhoods. I don't know how many of them did any work or how much.
It's uncanny but whenever we have a major incident the fire activity in the remainder of the city drops off. Other than an occasional call for smoke (whenever the wind shifted) we were pretty quiet in Brooklyn. By Thursday afternoon our own resources started to firm up and the decision was made to release the mutual aid companies. Some of them probably went home with a war story or 2. Some of them may just be able to say 'we helped out in a small way'. In either case their presence was greatly appreciated. By the last night of my 4-day swing life in the office had gone almost back to normal. We had enough companies back in service to disband all but 1 spare apparatus company.
The mood on the platform was still somber at best. Many of the dispatchers who have over 20 or 30 years on the job knew many of the fire fighters personally. They'd go on golf outings, fishing excursions, or just hang out at the firehouse and play cards. We know first hand what some of the family members of the missing are going through. We know the anguish of just sitting, helplessly waiting for some word good or bad.
It will be months before life returns to anything close to normal. While we try to cope with the current losses we mustn't forget that this may only be a single step in the terrorist's grand scheme. We must remain diligent and prepare for what may be their next move.
sound clips of radio messages
http://www.radiofirehouse.com/broadc...DNY_Tape15.mp3
Quote:
The Day the World Stood Still
Tuesday, September 11, 2001.
It was Primary Day and I was going to my union office to help our chosen candidate. Around 0840 I'm making my way down 7th Ave when I hear a jet plane overhead. Not a common occurrence in Manhattan but not outside the realm of possibility. I thought to myself that it sounded a little low. (Little did I know I was correct.) Minutes later I started hearing sirens. Coming from all directions they appeared to be heading south and west. Police cars, unmarked cars, and ambulances started forming convoys down 7th Ave. With nary a clue as to what had occurred I made my way to the union office.
In the lobby the doorman had a TV on. On the screen was what looked like a scene from "The Towering Inferno". Fire and smoke were billowing from the upper floors of tower 1. My immediate reaction is unprintable. My second thought was that I had to get to the Manhattan CO as they must have been going through hell. I wandered out into the street to find a cab, my head in a daze knowing full well what to expect when I get to the office.
While cruising uptown in what must have been the slowest cab ride ever recorded I gathered my thoughts, tried to control the adrenaline that was rushing into my system, and thought about that other fateful day in 1993. The cab driver was listening to a local all news station. Then I heard about the second plane. The situation must have been pure bedlam in the office.
I arrived at the Manhattan CO around 0940. A dispatcher was standing outside in tears. She had taken some calls from people above the fire floor. They begged, pleaded, cried for help but all exits were blocked by fire. On the news they showed pictures of people jumping to their deaths rather than being burned alive. It was overwhelming her.
Inside, the situation was serious but not totally chaotic. They had just transmitted a second alarm over and above the 2 fifth alarms already out. We had to pull units from Queens and Brooklyn just to make the required 8 engines and 5 trucks. Then the unthinkable happened. A voice on the radio screamed that 2 WTC was collapsing. (The TV was turned off prior to this.) Not being able to see what was happening I thought to myself that it must have been the top part of the building cut off by the plane that had fallen down. The radio went eerily silent. "Manhattan calling Field Comm. Manhattan to any chief at the WTC."
It wasn't just the top of the building. It was the entire 110-story building falling into a classic pancake collapse. People down below had just barely enough time to start running when the building started collapsing. The force of the debris hitting the ground was tremendous. People thrown about like rag dolls. Windows were blown out everywhere. A dust cloud rose high enough to be seen by the International Space Station.
In Brooklyn, units were assembling at the entrance to the Battery Tunnel in preparation for coming to Manhattan. Engine 228 was already on the Manhattan side when the tower fell. The dust cloud over took them and they made an urgent transmission to Brooklyn saying that no one should enter the tunnel at this time; visibility was zero. Another radio transmission to Brooklyn reported a collapse in the tunnel.
Fortunately this report was erroneous. About 30 minutes later tower 1 fell.
The next few hours were a blur to me. I was one of 24 people in the office: 12 dispatchers, 8 supervisors, a borough supervisor, both deputy directors, and the director of dispatch operations. There was too much going on to focus on the big picture so I zoned in on the tasks I was given by the deputy directors who tried their best to orchestrate the entire incident.
To break the tension we rotated positions a lot. Many dispatchers took turns at the radio and the telephones. We went outside to get some air quite a bit too. The streets surrounding all of the central offices were barricaded and police were stationed outside. It seemed so surreal. The mighty towers had been reduced to a pile of rubble, the streets of Manhattan deserted, F-16's flying overhead, and the possibility that we lost at least 10 alarms worth of fire fighters and apparatus. (40 engines, 16 ladders, 10 battalions)
With a massive search and recovery mission ahead of them the department instituted off duty recall and fire fighters went to a 24-on, 24-off schedule. All surplus members from every house either staffed a spare apparatus or were transported to Ground Zero.
I was scheduled for a day tour the next day in Brooklyn so I went off duty at 2200 hours. The ride to the Times Square subway station was spooky. There were very few cars on the road and pedestrians were conspicuous by their absence. The normally crowded Times Square had more police than tourists. On the subway platform, only the occasional passing of a train pierced the silence. No one was talking very much. There was a certain amount of paranoia in the air. I must have envisioned every subway disaster I'd ever seen in a movie during the ride. (E.g. The Taking of Pelham 123, etc.)
In Brooklyn on Wednesday the situation was pretty bad. About half of our resources were in Manhattan;
most wouldn't be coming back for a while. Luckily, someone had arranged for mutual aid from New Jersey. We had dozens of rigs from all over the state. Some came from paid departments, some volunteer. We had apparatus from Elizabeth, Summit, Cedar Grove, Bloomfield, Montclair, Piscataway, Edison Twp, Belleville, Newark, Manalapan, and many others whose names I can't recall. They couldn't hook up to our hydrants, nor could they operate on our radio frequency. But they had booster tanks, water cans, tools and portable ladders that were better than nothing had they not been there.
Because of the lack of interoperability we assigned them to firehouses in which there already was a FDNY apparatus in full service. They were instructed to turn out and operate as a team. As units came back from Manhattan we reassigned mutual aid companies to other firehouses. Some of these companies saw 3 or 4 firehouses in different neighborhoods. I don't know how many of them did any work or how much.
It's uncanny but whenever we have a major incident the fire activity in the remainder of the city drops off. Other than an occasional call for smoke (whenever the wind shifted) we were pretty quiet in Brooklyn. By Thursday afternoon our own resources started to firm up and the decision was made to release the mutual aid companies. Some of them probably went home with a war story or 2. Some of them may just be able to say 'we helped out in a small way'. In either case their presence was greatly appreciated. By the last night of my 4-day swing life in the office had gone almost back to normal. We had enough companies back in service to disband all but 1 spare apparatus company.
The mood on the platform was still somber at best. Many of the dispatchers who have over 20 or 30 years on the job knew many of the fire fighters personally. They'd go on golf outings, fishing excursions, or just hang out at the firehouse and play cards. We know first hand what some of the family members of the missing are going through. We know the anguish of just sitting, helplessly waiting for some word good or bad.
It will be months before life returns to anything close to normal. While we try to cope with the current losses we mustn't forget that this may only be a single step in the terrorist's grand scheme. We must remain diligent and prepare for what may be their next move.
sound clips of radio messages
http://www.radiofirehouse.com/broadc...DNY_Tape15.mp3
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but i still don't understand what it has to do with a picture of the statue of liberty.
oh. never mind i see now. liberty equals freedom??
oh. never mind i see now. liberty equals freedom??
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And the Statue of Liberty stands for something that was comprimised colatterally.
I see quite a strong message in the photo, myself.
F250, I get it.
I see quite a strong message in the photo, myself.
F250, I get it.
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everytime I go to work I remember
Originally Posted by F2504x4
Tjc ,
There were two things in that pic that we have lost.
There were two things in that pic that we have lost.
http://www.iwo.com/heroes.htm
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Originally Posted by cjben
the twin towers are in the background of the picture,TJC
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.....there are some that have no idea what a picture without an explanation means.
Who or What do you see?
When was this photograph taken?
What is happening in this photograph?
Where was this photograph taken?
Why was this photograph taken....or in this case, Why did F2504x4 post this?
With the last question, this is where critical thinking and visual literacy come into play. Here
are some questions that ask "why":
Why did the photographer select
these particular elements to include in the photograph?
What "don't" you see?
Why did the photographer emphasize certain elements and not
others?
What's in focus?
What happened After this picture was taken?
When you ask these "why" questions, you are putting yourself in the scene and in the mind of the photographer or in the original poster's mind. What "moment in time" does the photograph capture?
Ask yourself also, what happened five years ago on September 11, 2001? Where did the events happen first? What "don't" you see there now?
Why have most radio stations, several satelitte TV stations and TV stations have been broadcasting memorials about these events five years later on this date? In this case, it is having a grasp of fairly recent historical events to visualize what the photo means without any textual clues.
This is not to question your visual literacy. How many New Yorkers have any interest about New Jersey normally? Probably not many unless they have to. What interests, or affects, us the most.... "sticks" in the mind best. Some people need more visual or textual clues while viewing a photograph. Others do not.
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The youngest boy and I went to see World Trade Center last night. Very good movie and quite sobering. Was really surprised though that there were only about 8 or 10 people in the theater to see it.
Watched a little of the history channel and it was talking about tower 1 and the reason that nobody above where the plane hit got out was because the elevators and stairwells were all in the center to have a more open area available. When the plane hit they all got cut off and everybody was doomed. Tower 2 though the plane hit a little different and where it did the shafts went around elevator equipment so one escape route was still open. Also they said that the force of the impact knocked the fireproof foam off the steel beams and when they heater up they pulled away from the attach points and started pancaking.
May everybody always remember 911 and how it changed out country.
Watched a little of the history channel and it was talking about tower 1 and the reason that nobody above where the plane hit got out was because the elevators and stairwells were all in the center to have a more open area available. When the plane hit they all got cut off and everybody was doomed. Tower 2 though the plane hit a little different and where it did the shafts went around elevator equipment so one escape route was still open. Also they said that the force of the impact knocked the fireproof foam off the steel beams and when they heater up they pulled away from the attach points and started pancaking.
May everybody always remember 911 and how it changed out country.