the cats on the 05 to 07's bolt right to the exhaust manifolds so they are way high up and away from the straw

 

Maybe that's why this company is working on the V10 w/ Ford? You might give them a call.

http://www.powertechengines.com/V1068photos.htm

RustyFuryIII

 

Or, this...

http://www.powertechengines.com/V10P...hotoLinks.html

http://www.fordpowerproducts.com/For...etrev10-04.pdf

While not new by any means, (looks like '00 and '01) they sure look nice. Just to have one in the backyard for grins would be fun!

RustyFuryIII

 

Good info rusty. Thank You! Nice, clean looking power unit package that company is putting together. If I'm not mistaken that looks like a 2 vaLVER with the cast al intake manifold.

That link provides continuous HP ratings . I'll bet if you set up that power unit as speced out, it would give you thousands of hours of excellent trouble free service. I wonder how the 6.0 diesel continuous hp specs compare to the 6.8?
http://www.fordpowerproducts.com/FordPowerProducts/NAGGEM.htm

 

[QUOTE=kelro]it sounds to me like what you're trying to achieve is a 15-17 mph speed over soft ground. The sprayer has it's own power I presume ? With 38.5" tires you're way undergeared it sounds to me. A V10 properly geared won't have to run 3500 rpm all day. As Fred said, find the right combo of gears and transfer case gearing and you'll be cruising in V10 comfort. Even at 4.10 gearing with your IDI 7.3 those 38.5" tires are killing your power, no wonder you gotta keep that oil burner on the boil. Even with a turbo kit that 7.3 won't make the power or torque a 3V V10 will, even at lower rpm.

 

The sprayer pump is run by hydraulics supplied from a hydraulic pump attached to the tranny.

The issue with gearing is you cannot shift on the fly in the field. Fred is correct in the fact that the automatic will not stand up to that kind of use but it would be ideal to use. I have to start out in first, 4wd high and stay there. I want to run 15-18 mph. I wouldn't shift up to second even if I had a 325 hp 6.0L under the hood because I use the throttle to slow down for ditches and turning. I doubt if the 6L or V10 have the power to idle down and take off again from higher gears.

 

At 1000RPM, the 2-valve V10 puts out 80% of it's peak torque.

The 3-valve? about the same, probably, 80%.

If you're not using all of the throttle to maintain speed, letting it slow down to 1000RPM and then back up isn't impossible.

The only problem is how fast 1000RPM in 2nd gear is

 

Kelro. I assume the contract sprayers like AgriSpray are too much cost?

In you case I might be tempted to suck up the propane conversion and amortize it out the life of the truck...

The V10s last in the 160,000 to 200,000 mile range for rebuild... I have no idea how this translates into "Hours in service" in your case, but I suspect about 5 years...just a gut thought....

The type of wear will be almost all piston rings and timing chain and gears... not too expensive so a 10 year life span for the chassis with one rebuild is reasonable ex-pectation.... a legitimate farm use can get low end "fleet version with every thing delete at a reasonable price and amortize for taxes over life of the truck....

Probably a better plan then a purpose built tractor and todays high cost of them

You might consider hunting down a 2001 to 2004 low mileage city / suburban poser truck that has the 4.30s and a manual for 13-17 thou as a relatively inexpensive base truck. The 01 through 04 310 HP truck with a manual is more then enough mid band torque for this and the 3v 2005 motor would be expensive over kill IMHO

Then look into adding the $3 to $5K propane kit and take what ever Federal or state incentives or tax break there is... I have no Kansas info, a few years back some states had fairly lucrative rebates or tax licensing incentives to go dual fuel conversions

 

According to THIS SITE the OEM tranny PTO is limited to 30HP. Maybe the can help you build the spray rig... sure won't hurt to give them a call!

 

That site is interesting. I am sure that the PTO drive would not be using over the 30 hp limit. Some of my gearing troubles might be overcome with the 6 speed. All of this talk is theory right now. I am looking even on the commercial side of things (building or assembling components). I love the V10 like you guys do but I wonder what the buying public would go for gas vs diesel? I suspect you would have a hard time getting the end user to look at gas power when you see the percentage of diesel pickups running out here in rural America.

Thanks for the discussion and ideas

 

I'm assuming that the RPM is required to keep the hydro pressure and volume up.

If that's the case, is there any way to run an independent hydro power unit? Maybe an electrical one in conjunction with a high amp alternator or a gas powered unit?

That would leave you free to configure tire size and gearing independent of RPM requirements of a PTO hydro unit.

Mike

 

hey, why not use a 5speed auto in 4low should , be fine for 15\18 mph & with the 38" tires just thinking ,barry,,

 

be250

Either the computer controlled 4R100 4 speed over drive or the 5R110W 5 speed over drive both being a $1500 to $2000 dollar option would need fan blown external coolers and really would be a waste of a good auto trans. Very hot days at 15-18 MPH down wind legs of the field would heat the fluid a LOT... at mid RPMs, say around 3200-3800 the torque converter would stay unlocked and build a bunch of heat

Locking either in 1st or 2nd gear and fussing with the Lo Hi 4x4 transfer case gear would absolutly do what you are thinking and have plenty of torque to drag a very heavy spray rig up and down the rows.... but I suspect either motor and trans would get real hot doing it and because of the fluid to fluid cooler in the radiator would put additional heat load on the stock trans, engine water, and engine oil cooling systems....

I would be tempted to try fitting 38s by 13.5/14.5" wide flotation tires and regear down to 4.88 or 5.12 to keep V10 rpm in the 2800-3400 range

 

hey, at 2500- 3000 rpms i would think the v10 fan would make lots of wind,. a large trans cooler & temp gage would do may be ?? the diff in cost to go deisel would be like 3 free trans ha ha ,barry

 

Y'all should poke around on the site I linked above. It has some good info.

http://www.fordtrucksonline.com/ford...nformation.htm