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[QUOTE=webmaster]Yuck... that's one ugly truck. All the Dodges are. The grill area is just way too bubbly looking. It wonder how it would do 0-60 against a Roush? Because with the Roushcharger the boost comes on pretty much instantly so you're into the power a lot sooner. I'll find out soon enough.
The SRT-10 would smoke any of the roush trucks. The V10 is all naturaly aspired and doesn't have to generate boost. All superchargers and turbochargers have lag. The V10 will be into the power before the supercharged 5.4. I love the fact that these trucks have all the 5 star crash ratings but that means alot more weight to move. So with the dodge weighing less, more responsive, and having more power, the roush won't stand a chance in beating it in 0-60, 1/4 mile or even top speed. The viper V10 is just way to much engine to compete with. Its 8.1 liters of high performance.
Now if ford had their V10 hopped up a little to be like a SVT-10 in a regular cab F150 than it would be the perfect competition for the SRT-10. Ford needs to make a manual more available. They are almost as bad as gm, and some of us still prefer a manual over the auto.
Does Roush make any internal modifications to the engine before they add the supercharger like Ford did with the Lightning motors? Or, do they just add the supercharger to a stock 5.4? If so, what about the long term durability of the engine, and who warrantys the modification, as the Ford warranty is very specific about adding performance modifications.
Roush warrants it for 3/36, just like Ford, and its the only supercharger that keeps Ford's warranty intact, provided an authorized dealer installs it. Roush isn't a Ford partner without reason!
Yuck... that's one ugly truck. All the Dodges are. The grill area is just way too bubbly looking. It wonder how it would do 0-60 against a Roush? Because with the Roushcharger the boost comes on pretty much instantly so you're into the power a lot sooner. I'll find out soon enough.
The SRT-10 would smoke any of the roush trucks. The V10 is all naturaly aspired and doesn't have to generate boost.
That's my point. Boost=power. With a roots charger power comes on instantly and torque builds up very low in the RPM range. You don't need to spin it up to get air and fuel moving through it like a naturally aspirated engine.
All superchargers and turbochargers have lag.
You're on crack. The Roush is a roots charger. The boost comes on immediately and there's no lag.
The V10 will be into the power before the supercharged 5.4.
I'd like to see dyno plots on both to see where the torque comes on.
I love the fact that these trucks have all the 5 star crash ratings but that means alot more weight to move.
Some prefer to be able walk away from an accident rather than be in traction (or dead), have a bad *** fast truck, a vehicle that nothing can touch in the looks department, and still have room to haul the entire family. BTW.... weight isn't from the 5 star rating... there are very light cars that have 5 star ratings. I'm floored that someone thinks a 5 star rating isn't something to brag about it. A lot of the weight comes from the boxed frame, taller bed, etc.
So with the dodge weighing less, more responsive, and having more power, the roush won't stand a chance in beating it in 0-60, 1/4 mile or even top speed. The viper V10 is just way to much engine to compete with. Its 8.1 liters of high performance.
We'll be doing some track tests which will include 0-60, and we'll see what the numbers say. Either way I won't be a going to a Dodge board bragging about Fords... (chumps do things like that, right?).
I am very sorry you feel that I am chump after I purchased a Dodge.
I thought I had contributed a lot to this Fourm in the the years that I have been around at your site.. it was not my intention to offend anybody just stating fact...
I am truly sorry that you feel this way.. I have always enjoyed interacting with every one ... and I felt like have contributed a lot.. you can always just bane from your site I am pretty sure I will own another Ford by 2009..
Also the Roush Kit is great product and if I still had my Screw that was my next step but after 3 New body style F-150's and the way my Dealer treated me with warranty work I had felt like I was stabbed in the back...
So I made a different choice this time ... And I still love the Ford product's Best bang for the dollar.
Peace J.T.
All right whatever, I'll be the bigger man here and not call people chumps and crackheads. I simply only state facts. The roush F150 is a great truck, but it does weight more, has auto, and it doesn't have as much power. I probably have owned more fords than many people here and ford is my favorite. I am in no means bragging about dodges. If you read the entire post I state that if ford would put a little more pep to their 6.8 V10 wich is already a powerhorse truck engine and put it in a regular with a 6 speed manual and not a 4speed auto then it would be a kickass truck just like the SRT-10. The lightning had 380hp and it would give the 500hp SRT-10 a run for its money. I know that all of those mechanics classes I took in high school and the technical schools probably didn't teach me anything about automotives at all .
I am very sorry you feel that I am chump after I purchased a Dodge.
I thought I had contributed a lot to this Fourm in the the years that I have been around at your site.. it was not my intention to offend anybody just stating fact...
I am truly sorry that you feel this way.. I have always enjoyed interacting with every one ... and I felt like have contributed a lot.. you can always just bane from your site I am pretty sure I will own another Ford by 2009..
I didn't call you a chump. I would personally feel like a chump if I went to a Dodge site and talked up my Fords. To me, its like poking me a stick in a beehive to watch them stir. Why would I do that? Certainly not to inform them but rather to entertain myself with their reaction. I've made a lot of friends over the years through FTE, including a good friendship with the owners of the largest Dodge truck site (very nice folks). I never make any negative remarks about their Dodge trucks to them, especially on their turf. Did it once years ago and will never do it again - lesson learned.
Also, I never hinted at banning anyone. Differences of opinion over a vehicle is no reason to do that.
WOW! Its getting HOT in here. Maybe I should step in here and say something. Of course the Viper truck is going to have more HP the motor is 1 1/2 times the size of the 5.4 3V. Even with the S/C on it it doesn't equal 8.1 liters. A motor of that size being stock better be fast or it would be a plain out worthless vehicle, it might as well be a trailer queen. I agree the roots and twin screw styles virtually have no boost lag. When you mash the gas with root/twin screws you are at full boost by like 2200 RPM's or so. What everyone has to understand as well, Roush Trucks with a S/C will still have a Powertrain Warranty.........You would think that if you bought a speacialty vehicle like a viper truck you would have at least a 30 feet 30 second warranty.....It isn't even that good.....as soon as you sign the paperwork.....the warranty is void!
WOW! Its getting HOT in here. Maybe I should step in here and say something. Of course the Viper truck is going to have more HP the motor is 1 1/2 times the size of the 5.4 3V. Even with the S/C on it it doesn't equal 8.1 liters. A motor of that size being stock better be fast or it would be a plain out worthless vehicle, it might as well be a trailer queen. I agree the roots and twin screw styles virtually have no boost lag. When you mash the gas with root/twin screws you are at full boost by like 2200 RPM's or so. What everyone has to understand as well, Roush Trucks with a S/C will still have a Powertrain Warranty.........You would think that if you bought a speacialty vehicle like a viper truck you would have at least a 30 feet 30 second warranty.....It isn't even that good.....as soon as you sign the paperwork.....the warranty is void!
Say what.......... not true I have all ready had much better customer service then I had ever received at Ford .... period not sure of the place that you got your information but you sir a very wrong.... please educate us all with bit of fact to back up your ignorant statement..
Also they stopped producing the 8.1 on the first gen Viper this the 3rd gen 8.3 510 HP and 535 TQ
I dont need to explain myself to anyone...Its not an ignorant statement.....Maybe all states are not the same. This is what I was told.
Shaun not sure of the person that gave you your info ... let alone the the date you received it...I think you guys at Roush produce some very nice products and have seen some great numbers on a few new body style F-150's one guy in Alaska and another in New Jersey... I am sure you know who am speaking off keep up the good work ... its great to keep raising the bar so you guys keep producing a superior product ..
Cheers J.T.
I'm looking at the specs for 0-60 and 1/4 times for the SRT... its really not terribly impressive. Just barely beats a Roushcharer equipped Supercrew. 5.4 0-60, 13.8 1/4 mile. Its numbers are good, but nothing to gloat about over what you can get with a Ford especially considering the weight advantage it has.... a Lightning with a generic tuner will match it.
I think I can spend 30 minutes writing an SCT tune for a Roushcharger and it will easily be beat. It only beat out a stock Lightning for top speed by a couple miles per hour. Of course this is all conjecture until I try.
I'm looking at the specs for 0-60 and 1/4 times for the SRT... its really not terribly impressive. Just barely beats a Roushcharer equipped Supercrew. 5.4 0-60, 13.8 1/4 mile. Its numbers are good, but nothing to gloat about over what you can get with a Ford especially considering the weight advantage it has.... a Lightning with a generic tuner will match it.
I think I can spend 30 minutes writing an SCT tune for a Roushcharger and it will easily be beat. It only beat out a stock Lightning for top speed by a couple miles per hour. Of course this is all conjecture until I try.
You guy's win ..... Stock for Stock its a lotta fun to drive... you can mod L for less money and go super fast..to mod the SRT10 it's a small fortune 50K and up.. like I stated earlier I like all muscle trucks Ford Dodge what ever..
We are having West Coast GTG 27 SRT10's and 15 L's.... and every body gets along and treats each other with respect and kindness...If you guys would like I will post a video Lotta fast Trucks some 11 sec SRT's and 10 sec L's.
Cheers J.T.