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Old Aug 7, 2006 | 05:27 PM
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Truck is an '05 F350 Superduty Crewcab FX4, on the weekend I installed the 4" AFE turbo back exhaust and stage 2 cold air intake. Also installed the Juice with Platinum. Just curious as to what settings some of you guys run, trans, defuel, smoke? not sure on this. If it smokes there's to much fuel, why would you want to over fuel anyway? Honestly haven't had time to play with settings yet, just looking for some sort of baseline. Made a few runs the tranny lag is brutal, on the higher power levels, and i didn't want to play to much with the settings. I realize that this will be a learning curve as to my own preferances and driving habits. Any input would be great. Thanks Bugs.
 
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Old Aug 7, 2006 | 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by H20BUGS
Just curious as to what settings some of you guys run, trans, defuel, smoke?
Juice Settings:
Max EGT 1250 Everyday Driving - Disable for track
Max Boost 35 You'll never see that unless the turbo fails
Low Boost Fueling Lev 1 = 1 Lev 2 = 2 etc.
Turbo Cool Down Temp = 400
Speed Limiter OFF Duh! lol
Cold Engine Protection ON
Tire Size: Stock Tires (265/70/17) = 99.3inch
Axle Ratio: Mine is 3.73

Tranny Control:
Defuel 100% for daily - 50% at track (I HAVE MOD TRANS)
Trans Slip Protection ON
Torque Converter Lockup ON
Firmer Shift Setting Advanced
All Shifts
Firmness Changes w/HP


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If it smokes there's to much fuel, why would you want to over fuel anyway
More smoke = less lag time

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Honestly haven't had time to play with settings yet, just looking for some sort of baseline. Made a few runs the tranny lag is brutal, on the higher power levels, and i didn't want to play to much with the settings. I realize that this will be a learning curve as to my own preferances and driving habits. Any input would be great.
Have fun! I'm having a ball. So much fun that I bought the Evolution and stacked them! Who would have thought that an 8000 lb work truck could smoke a muscle car? Hahahahahaha
 
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Old Aug 7, 2006 | 07:31 PM
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Thanks 6L, my set-up is very similar. Boost is only 30psi, my egt is set at 1100* but I drilled the down pipe instead. My understanding is 200* cooler there, need to keep this in mind. Not sure how the air could cool that much in 6". Is this correct? I have the 18" wheel upgrade with same gearing. Smoke set at 1, this explains the stumble on the higher power levels. Will the monitor not sense converter slip during hard throttle on levels 4 and 5 anyway and defuel? My thinking here is that trans upgrades should'nt be needed unless trying to launch the truck at the track ie. no tire slip (insert smile here). Speed limiter is on, no turbo timer. You think after 95mph stopping power from said truck will be limited unless offroad ( insert another smile here). Also I didn't want to throw any codes with the cool down setting. My 8000 lbs truck isn't ready for any muscle cars................................ yet. Thanks.
 
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Old Aug 8, 2006 | 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by H20BUGS
my egt is set at 1100* but I drilled the down pipe instead. My understanding is 200* cooler there, need to keep this in mind. Not sure how the air could cool that much in 6". Is this correct?
Sometimes yes, many times no. The air is quite hotter on the manifold side because that is where all the pressure is built up. It's been written in the forums that UNDER LOAD, the temperature difference can be as much as 600 degrees between the two. You might seriously consider changing the location of your probe.

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Will the monitor not sense converter slip during hard throttle on levels 4 and 5 anyway and defuel? My thinking here is that trans upgrades should'nt be needed unless trying to launch the truck at the track ie. no tire slip (insert smile here).
The stock torque converter is only able to handel 750-800 lb-ft of torque. With the Juice Platinum you'll be very close to that limit. It will also tell you that you need to modify your transmission to be able to handle any shifting without 100% defueling. Yes, it will sense the slippage, but you'll already be doing damage by the time it senses it.

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Speed limiter is on, no turbo timer. You think after 95mph stopping power from said truck will be limited unless offroad ( insert another smile here). Also I didn't want to throw any codes with the cool down setting. My 8000 lbs truck isn't ready for any muscle cars................................ yet. Thanks.
The turbo timer will help prevent the oil from coking onto the bearings. If you're running synthetic, you don't have to worry, but with dino, you should let it hit 400 before turning off. The codes are no big deal. I set mine to clear codes at start-up and every two weeks I turn that off to see if there are any codes that shouldn't be there. If you get a code while driving, it won't clear that code unless you turn off the truck and restart it, so, if you get a code while driving, read the code before turning it off.
 
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Old Aug 8, 2006 | 07:21 PM
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Still looking for some help? Trying to compare with 2 stroke probe location, maybe not so good. No biggie I can still change location. Just can't see 200* in that short of distance. I know several smokers that have 1600+* readings and are still going. I tow Rockies with sleds and a Tow boat, not super heavy, just truckin'. Is the shift thing just defuel? Thinking back to street, car turbo 400 with stall and shift kit. I'm not looking to race the thing just to be strong. I haven't hooked it yet. I will set the "smoke" and "power" levels the same, and go from there? I didn't think you would see 800 lbs tourque; (spell that after 6 Canadians), from the Juice. I just DON'T want to hurt the missus truck. Maybe a converter is a good idea. I still think we should be able to set it up without hurting something. New to this turbo deisel thing. Codes aren't really a big deal, I've come this far with an extra warranty. I will go synthetic next change, only 30,000K. Bugs.
 
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Old Aug 8, 2006 | 08:06 PM
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Originally Posted by H20BUGS
Just can't see 200* in that short of distance.
Do a search for 6.0 EGT and you'll see many write ups about it. There was one person I remember that had a probe in both locations and measured out 500* difference while under load towing. Just think about the fact that all that gas is trying to get through a small hole. That pressure build up generates heat. It's like traffic coming up to an accident scene. It slows down until you pass then it's all open free flowing road. Make sense?

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I know several smokers that have 1600+* readings and are still going.
At the track I often see 1550-1600. It doesn't hurt in the short term. It's high egt's for a long period that melt things.

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Is the shift thing just defuel?
Defueling is one setting choice under Transmission. If your tranny is stock, keep it at 100% defuel. If you get a Torque Converter, you can set it down to 60-70% and be safe. If you get a performance tranny & torque converter you can drop it down to 0%. This really only helps at the track. I wouldn't want anything other than 100% if towing. You could mess up the drivetrain and it doesn't really help with anything then anyway.

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I will set the "smoke" and "power" levels the same, and go from there?
Same as mine? Play with them all you want. Can't hurt anything and if you try different settings you'll soon learn the effects and get it set where you're comfortable and the truck runs the way you want.

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I didn't think you would see 800 lbs tourque; (spell that after 6 Canadians), from the Juice. I just DON'T want to hurt the missus truck. Maybe a converter is a good idea. I still think we should be able to set it up without hurting something. New to this turbo deisel thing.
This is my first diesel as well. I've read many posts and listened to a few friends that have been around them and raced them. Still much to learn, but it's sure fun! The main things that could damage the tranny would be setting the defuel less than 100% on shifts or just hammering it all the time. Other than that, the 5R110 is a great transmission.

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Codes aren't really a big deal, I've come this far with an extra warranty. I will go synthetic next change, only 30,000K.
I plan on going syn when I hit 20K. You can forget that warranty if they find you using a tuner. Make sure anytime you go to your dealership, you take it all off and don't leave any traces of it. I'm stuck there. With all the mods I've done, it would take me a couple days to get it back to stock. Not to mention I sold my stock intercooler to a 7.3 guy.

Just have fun playing with it. It's a ball to go out and smoke a muscle car.
 
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Old Aug 8, 2006 | 09:16 PM
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Warranty is still good rather or not your using a tuner unless they can prove that the tuner is really a cause of a problem. They might say that they will void a warranty if your using a tuner, but they still have to prove that it was the tuner(or for that matter what ever aftermarket application that you put on with the exception of the propane and nitrous application and a turbo, because you are really changing stuff installing that, especially with changing the turbo, which is what i'm wanting to do, but I'm going to wait til the warrant is gone before doing that). Just take your tuner off, drive around for a bit, clear any trouble codes, and then you shouldn't have to worry about it.
 
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Old Aug 8, 2006 | 09:41 PM
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Thanks 6L, your input has been great. I'll keep in touch. Thinking its pretty safe if you match the power level and smoke levels the same up to say level 3? I will definately stay with the 100% defuel untill I figure this out. I won't get to drive it until Fri. Maybe I'll turn the juice on to the above settings for the wife. I will set the "smoke" to level 3, and the "power" to level 3 with 100% defuel.
 
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Old Aug 9, 2006 | 06:24 PM
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Originally Posted by H20BUGS
Thinking its pretty safe if you match the power level and smoke levels the same up to say level 3?
I did it on mine all the way up. Level one- Smoke 1 Level 2 - Smoke 2 Level 3 - Smoke 3 etc until level 6 when I only had smoke 5 to choose. Play with it long enough and you'll cough up the extra $100 to unlock level 6! lol

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I will definately stay with the 100% defuel untill I figure this out.
Good idea!

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I will set the "smoke" to level 3, and the "power" to level 3 with 100% defuel.
Perfect! You can still go up to level 5 anyway. Doesn't hurt anything. The more smoke, the quicker the turbo response is all.
 
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Old Aug 9, 2006 | 09:29 PM
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I read and re-read the manual today. I will set it to 3 and 3 for the wifey. Thanks 6L for your suggestions. I've done lots of tuning before so this will be a fun learn. This project took me 4hrs for the intake, 6hrs + for the exhaust (where to drill the pyro.), and about 45min. to do the edge and monitor. Please no bashing, the exhaust isn't that tough. I will let you know how I make out. Bugs.
 
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