My friend has the 18" RE XXX. The specs seem close to that eclipse as the excursion goes it has 4".That thing will make you deaf fast!

 

Jackhammer is one big hunk of expensive poo, and that is about it.

 

yeah I know. the Pimp my Ride episode was hilarious. My old system of 4 12"s on 500 watts (half the recommended power) had higher DB rating that it did.

 

It has lower Bl then many mid level 10's, it has something like 1.5kg of movine mass, and its inducatnce is stupidly high...just to name a few things on paper.

In real life it sucks even more.

 

i have 2 audiobahn 10's and i have a higher db rating than it

Matt

 

FYI
Eclipse has all of their tooling and manufacturing done by a company called TCsounds.

TCsounds.com

 

just wondering as i have not heard any mention of them in here, how is infinitys subs?

 

As a vetern 12 volt installer (13+ years) I'm going to add my .02.

There is NO best sub.

EVERY sub's performance, regardless of mfgr. and price... is 99% dependant upon a properly designed and constructed enclosure.

Building the appropriate enclosure for specified driver and the desired response is the most important aspect of any subwoofer installation.

The best advice is to LISTEN to a variety of subs, in the same type of vehicle you own if possible, and not in a showroom or demo room. Once you find the sound you want, those are the subs and enclosure type you should seek.

Music is 100% SUBJECTIVE. Ask 100 people how a sub sounds and you'll get almost as many answers.

 

I'm not saying that there isn't better. It depends on the application that you're going with. But when you're recommending Memphis and Kicker being better, there's no chance. Kicker hits hard, so does Memphis, but they don't have the SQ that JL does. 146 dB isn't that much, I hit 166 with 2 12" MTX's, and that wasn't even pushing the subs anywhere near their limits.

This whole subject can be flamed one way and the other, that's why I'm hardly here anymore because people talk crap about things they don't even know. BTW n_stallr, the enclosure isn't 99% of a subs performance, it's 70% enclosure, 30% sub.

 

I have Infinity speakers and I know that even the Reference line is pretty good, definitely better than Sony. I don't have any personal experience with Infinity's subs, but I have only heard good things about them. Every once and a while, I will hear something negative about Infinity's subs (like with most any sub), because the person who claims they suck didn't give them enough power or did something wrong.

 

I had a set of 12" infinity Beta's best damn subs Ive ever owned...till I blew them. infinity replaced mine with a set of kappa perfects. They did suck in comparison to what I had

 

pioneer 9800 is blue tooth enabled

 

I wasnt aware of that. I geuss pioneer just didnt flaunt it like Sony did.

 

guys please keep on course here... noone needs to attack someone over a stero brand.. i like pioneer and thats my opinion. i like the above quote... "music is 100% subjective"

Matt

 

agrees totaly ive enjoyed learning more about car audio in the past 2 weeks then ever before hehe