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Excuse my ignorance on the bio-diesel issue, as we canucks don't have to deal with it up here yet. From what I can recall though, bio-diesel has it's most negative effects on the fuel injectors because of how combustion gasses in the crankcase change the structure of the engine oil, thus effecting the injectors through the HP oil system. I hope not to have my head bitten off, this is not my opinion, rather those of one of my diesel instructors.
Excuse my ignorance on the bio-diesel issue, as we canucks don't have to deal with it up here yet. From what I can recall though, bio-diesel has it's most negative effects on the fuel injectors because of how combustion gasses in the crankcase change the structure of the engine oil, thus effecting the injectors through the HP oil system. I hope not to have my head bitten off, this is not my opinion, rather that of one of my diesel instructors.
lets not gedt into a pissing match about this. ford prints the facts out there on paper for legal reasons. ultimately it is there call to accept or deny a claim. it is your truck you do what you want to if that mean running bio, run bio. unless you came to my dealership i would not care what fuel you ran unless it is off road fuel. there are some great results from bio, but there are to many "backyard boys" making home brew. these people i feel ford is worried about. i dont think it has anything to do with the conspiracy theory of overseas oil. if that was the case ford could sell alot more trucks if they could run on bio due to its price a gallon alone.
lets not gedt into a pissing match about this. ford prints the facts out there on paper for legal reasons. ultimately it is there call to accept or deny a claim. it is your truck you do what you want to if that mean running bio, run bio. unless you came to my dealership i would not care what fuel you ran unless it is off road fuel. there are some great results from bio, but there are to many "backyard boys" making home brew. these people i feel ford is worried about. i dont think it has anything to do with the conspiracy theory of overseas oil. if that was the case ford could sell alot more trucks if they could run on bio due to its price a gallon alone.
I understand the backyard brewer concept, and I am not looking for a loophole in the warranty. I thought I stated that several times throughout the thread. However no one here has said they have seen what injectors look like after X ammount of miles with bio run at this concentration, and are seeing a certain failure pattern, or what they think is the inhearant problem with running the bio. Their are a few speculations, however I would have accepted the answer that their is just not enough evidence one way or the other.
Originally Posted by CanadaGuy
Excuse my ignorance on the bio-diesel issue, as we canucks don't have to deal with it up here yet. From what I can recall though, bio-diesel has it's most negative effects on the fuel injectors because of how combustion gasses in the crankcase change the structure of the engine oil, thus effecting the injectors through the HP oil system. I hope not to have my head bitten off, this is not my opinion, rather that of one of my diesel instructors.
CanadaGuy, now this is an answer that is workable. Oil is the easiest of all of the mentioned problems associated with the use of Bio Diesel to fix.
i am sorry. sometimes it is hard to see the actual problem with all the "poo". i have not seen any injector problems with running bio, and i probably wont see them. if any problem with bio in these 6.0 injectors, it will be internal and ford wont accept cores back if we tear into these injectors. as for your "loophole", it will be your dealership. their attitude mixed with your attitude will be your loophole.
Thank you Bowtie, I guess the next step would be contacting an injection specialist that rebuilds injectors. I remember seeing something about some techs getting injectors rebuilt better and or quicker locally that waiting on Ford to send replacements. Any truth to this? If so who?
While vacationing in Yellowstone park we filled up at a station near the Tetons, the fuel was bio diesel, thats all that they had in the way of diesel, according to them the park service has been using the stuff for many years in their Dodge diesel trucks with no noticable effects, most of these trucks have over 100,000 miles on them. Our Ford f250 7.3 power stroke ran fine the only tell was the smell, not french fries, too bad I like french fries
You guys need to do some more research on bio-diesel. You are more likely to to get out of spec Bio at a pump than us "Back Yard Brewers". Most of us take a lot of pride in making our fuel. And as for trying to get out of paying taxes on the fuel, you have so many gallons a year you can produce before paying taxes. There are several people running varing blends of BD and several running 100 % BD in ford 6.0L with no problems. My personal plan is to buy a 2008 6.4L and run 50% bio and 50% dino. We are definately headed for alternative fuels, I think as a supplement and not a complete replacement. I am not sure we can grow enough to provide for the huge IV that america needs at the moment. The automakers are moving closer to accepting Bio. Chrlyser is accepting the use of B20 in goverment and commercial vehicles. But as far as the automakers not warranting the use of Bio and all of the people against the use of bio, I believe all automakers do not warranty any parts damaged from the use of fuel in general. Be it bio or dino. my $.02
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