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I have 2 FE blocks, one is a C8ME-A, and the other is a D3TE.
The C8 one has "352" cast into the front and back as I thought most FE's did, and the D3 however does not. The question I have is that the oiling is in different spots for the camshaft. the oil holes for the C8 are on the right side of the journal when you look down through the block from the front, and the D3 has the oiling holes in the bottom. Can anyone tell me what the differences are between these two blocks and why the camshaft would have a different oiling setup?...and which one would be the better block?
The C8 one has "352" cast into the front and back as I thought most FE's did, and the D3 however does not. The question I have is that the oiling is in different spots for the camshaft. the oil holes for the C8 are on the right side of the journal when you look down through the block from the front, and the D3 has the oiling holes in the bottom. Can anyone tell me what the differences are between these two blocks and why the camshaft would have a different oiling setup?...and which one would be the better block?
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Unless I'm wrong that C8ME-A block is a 428CJ block. C6 & 7 ME-A's can be either 390 or 428, but the C8 is a CJ block. Look into the center core plug, there should be a 428 cast into the bore core. Bore should measure 4.13 minimum
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The D3TE block was cast in a different foundry, it'll have a mirror image 105 where the 352 is on the other one. Some D3TE's have thick walls, some don't. Again, look for a 428 cast in the bore core, looking thru the center core plug. Some will tell you the D3 is a super heavy duty block, but they're no better than the others. Good blocks with minimal core shift and thick walls are not common.
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well the pistons I took out of the C8 motor I put in the D3 block, I got the D3 block because the C8 block needed to be bored out if I want to use it because one of the wristpins slid out of the piston and left a nice groove in the cylinder wall, if I bored it about 40-50 over, it would get rid of that groove tho.
Therfor I am assuming it's has the standard 4.050" bore.
and yes the D3 block has a 105 on it, but it's backwards, and I can't read it.....mirror as U said!
Therfor I am assuming it's has the standard 4.050" bore.
and yes the D3 block has a 105 on it, but it's backwards, and I can't read it.....mirror as U said!
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so when I punch out the center "freeze" plug will the "428" be cast into the back of the cylinder wall of one of the 2 middle cylinders?
and does it matter what side I punch out?
and does it matter what side I punch out?
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Yea, punch out both sides, I think they're done on either side, I've never run across one to see it, but I've seen pics of it. Last 428 block I had , I sold it twenty years ago, before I knew about that distinction.
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alright, I just punched out the freeze plugs on both blocks, the C8, well I guess I was thinking about the headds that were on that motor because they were C8ae-H's, this block is the same as what I said it was, but it is a C7....one year off from what I had said earlier, sorry bout that, but there was no 428. So which block is the better block to use, keep in mind that the C7 now not C8 has to be bored 40 over, or re-sleeved
Neither of the 2 blocks have a 428 cast on them when I look inside the center core plug hole
if the C7ME is a CJ block w/ a 4.050" bore, is it better?....with cam bearings having holes for oiling on the right side of them, and opposed to the bottom, when looking down the length of the block from the front?
Neither of the 2 blocks have a 428 cast on them when I look inside the center core plug hole
if the C7ME is a CJ block w/ a 4.050" bore, is it better?....with cam bearings having holes for oiling on the right side of them, and opposed to the bottom, when looking down the length of the block from the front?
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Then if the D3 block is running, no sense if doing anything with the C7 block. You can bore either safely to 4.08, & out to 4.11 after doing a drill bit test and maybe a sonic mapping of the block, if someone around there does that. I've got a 60 over 390 shortblock in my shop that's built with a C7ME-A block. Don't know who built it, but it ran good before I pulled it, never ran it hard or long enough to see if it had issues with the thinner walls.
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The oiling should be the same for both. Maybe you're comparing them opposite each other? A few things I did on my last 390 was to chamfer the passge openings under the main bearings to better align them to the bearings. I also opened up the pump to filter adapter passage to 1/2" and smoothed the other passge corners I could access with my die grinder. You can also restrict the flow to the rockers by inserting a Holley #90 carb jet screw into the passage beneath the rocker stand. I also used a std volume, high pressure oil pump on it, plus a 428CJ windage tray. If you use the CJ tray, check the dipstick fit with the tray installed, before bolting up the oilpan. Every tray I used, the dipstick rode up on the tray where the crank could whack it off. Trim the tray as necessary.