08 PSD price increase?
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08 PSD price increase?
i have seen price increase estimates of anywhere from $3,000 - $8,000 for the '08+ PSD
is this above non-diesel equivalent?
whats the difference there compared to PSD premium of ~5k we see today on the '06 PSD?
is estimated 3-8k increase added to the existing 5k PSD premium for a total of 8-13k over comparably equiped non-diesel?
gas/diesel engine aside, what has been the historical price increase w/ a newly designed model year?
dodge chassis cab pricing said it "would be in line w/ '08 f450".
anyone know what price increase we can expect from GM?
is this above non-diesel equivalent?
whats the difference there compared to PSD premium of ~5k we see today on the '06 PSD?
is estimated 3-8k increase added to the existing 5k PSD premium for a total of 8-13k over comparably equiped non-diesel?
gas/diesel engine aside, what has been the historical price increase w/ a newly designed model year?
dodge chassis cab pricing said it "would be in line w/ '08 f450".
anyone know what price increase we can expect from GM?
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A dealer I was talking to tonight about buying a new truck, told me that the 08 ones in jan will be 4-5k more, on top of the cost of the diesel engine, most of that cost he says is due to the new emissions. so add 6k +/- for the new 6.4, and then another 4 or 5. that's at least a 10k option for diesel. glad i'm opting for either the 06 left over and ordering an 07 short MY truck. they are stopping production on the 07s in october he told me.
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Originally Posted by monsterbaby
it's my understanding that the increase is over and above the diesel option costs already so yes you are looking at as much as $13,000 more to buy a diesel over the gas counterpart.
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I have an 04' with a 6L that has not caused me any grief so far. I would love to get a 6.4L but suppose that i will have wait until the pricing stabilizes and the engine proves itself after the first 6 to 12 months. It just seems to me that Ford (as well as the other truck manufacturers) would not invest millions into a new truck engine that a significant number of their loyal customers can not afford to purchase... now what was that rumor i read about a tax credit..could that lessen the pain?????
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I have heard the Tax Credit rumor as well. I would not be surprised if it has some truth for a particular time window.
The most reliable info I have read has the new emissions bearing a price point of $ 3,000 - $ 3,500.00....right around the rumored Tax Credit amount. Go figure.
Keep in mind it is all mfgs that will have to have aggressive emissions...particulate traps, soot suckers, after burners, nugget nukes etc....The price increase will be common. The price increase for the 6.4 diesel engine option will likely be nominal compared to the emissions hit.
Just my opinion though.
The most reliable info I have read has the new emissions bearing a price point of $ 3,000 - $ 3,500.00....right around the rumored Tax Credit amount. Go figure.
Keep in mind it is all mfgs that will have to have aggressive emissions...particulate traps, soot suckers, after burners, nugget nukes etc....The price increase will be common. The price increase for the 6.4 diesel engine option will likely be nominal compared to the emissions hit.
Just my opinion though.
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Try the new CAT ACERT engines, $20,000 just for emissions requirements... You could have two Cummins N14s for that...
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There should be a tax credit of some sort, alledgedly in some of the more air polluted parts of the country, the exhaust from the 2007 emission diesels will be cleaner than the intake air the diesel is burning.
So as we tool around some cities we should be looked upon as performing a community service.
So as we tool around some cities we should be looked upon as performing a community service.
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well they might ask for 10K more...maybe 6k more...but the sting is that the higher they price the new engine, possibly the less they will sell to the public, which then drives the engine prices higher even still.
Funny thing is that the price of diesel is 20 to 30 cents more a gallon where i am, the engine costs more, there is even higher maintenance than what the 6.0L has so i am reading.... so from a cost analysis, do i really need to have one of these engines or is it all emotion. I would think that there is a point that everyone comes to regarding whether or not its worth the money...someone said a while back that this engine may separate the men from the boys. Certainly if you dont HAVE to have a diesel, this may be the breaking point where you dont take the plunge. I have been waiting for about a year to buy the new truck and continue to do so but there is a limit. One would have to think that Ford has considered all this in their marketing stratagies dont you??
Funny thing is that the price of diesel is 20 to 30 cents more a gallon where i am, the engine costs more, there is even higher maintenance than what the 6.0L has so i am reading.... so from a cost analysis, do i really need to have one of these engines or is it all emotion. I would think that there is a point that everyone comes to regarding whether or not its worth the money...someone said a while back that this engine may separate the men from the boys. Certainly if you dont HAVE to have a diesel, this may be the breaking point where you dont take the plunge. I have been waiting for about a year to buy the new truck and continue to do so but there is a limit. One would have to think that Ford has considered all this in their marketing stratagies dont you??
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and therein lies the rub: you can get a known configuration at the end of it's run, with as much development as they've thrown at it. Or you can take the chance on a new and as yet unproven (in real world) configuration, at the beginning of it's run -- and maybe even at a higher price. The good news is that similar to in '03, when both 7.3s and the new 6.0s were available, I bet you'll have leftover '07s when the new '08s come out. If there's a huge price difference those '07s will get snapped up.
For my wife and me, we don't like the sound of all the added emissions coming on the 6.4, let alone the unproven part (again, real-world -- I realize Ford and Navistar have tested the sh_t out of it), so we're biting the bullet and going '07. Maybe in a number of years when there's more known than unknowns (and they are good knowns!), we'll consider an upgrade. For now, we need the heavy capacity that ONLY Ford has to offer today...
For my wife and me, we don't like the sound of all the added emissions coming on the 6.4, let alone the unproven part (again, real-world -- I realize Ford and Navistar have tested the sh_t out of it), so we're biting the bullet and going '07. Maybe in a number of years when there's more known than unknowns (and they are good knowns!), we'll consider an upgrade. For now, we need the heavy capacity that ONLY Ford has to offer today...
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For my wife and me, we don't like the sound of all the added emissions coming on the 6.4, let alone the unproven part (again, real-world -- I realize Ford and Navistar have tested the sh_t out of it), so we're biting the bullet and going '07. Maybe in a number of years when there's more known than unknowns (and they are good knowns!), we'll consider an upgrade.
I completely agree. I pull a 12000 pound trailer on occasion and find the diesel to be a great match for the load. As stated earlier I have not had any problems with my 6.0 but its not like my 7.3 either. I thought that I would escape the potential problems of the 6.0 by getting a 6.4 but there is a limit of how much money i will spend for avoiding problems i have not had and may never have. I thought of getting a 2007 but i am not sure that anything will change for me other than a much lower balance in my check book. Its the same engine is it not?
For my wife and me, we don't like the sound of all the added emissions coming on the 6.4, let alone the unproven part (again, real-world -- I realize Ford and Navistar have tested the sh_t out of it), so we're biting the bullet and going '07. Maybe in a number of years when there's more known than unknowns (and they are good knowns!), we'll consider an upgrade.
I completely agree. I pull a 12000 pound trailer on occasion and find the diesel to be a great match for the load. As stated earlier I have not had any problems with my 6.0 but its not like my 7.3 either. I thought that I would escape the potential problems of the 6.0 by getting a 6.4 but there is a limit of how much money i will spend for avoiding problems i have not had and may never have. I thought of getting a 2007 but i am not sure that anything will change for me other than a much lower balance in my check book. Its the same engine is it not?
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jusaford: We're getting off topic, but I don't know what year 6.0 you have. We specifically ordered an '07 because I believe it's the only way to get the latest updates (tho an '06 would be quite a bit cheaper). From what I understand, there was a slight turbo machining change that happened end of '05/beginning '06 ('06 MY), new head gaskets for most of MY '06, and beginning in Jan. '06 the move to a "commonized" engine to start transition to the 6.4L. There was another post here from Maximum4x4 (I think) that detailed the larger bolts and casting changes in the heads as part of this last upgrade. There may be other things I'm not aware of...
While I don't (yet) own a 6.0, the ones I've driven have felt far stronger than my mildly chipped 7.3 did (let alone the tranny), and there is no comparison to anything out there on the '05+ 4x4 ride, especially considering that it's by far tops in capacity vs. the other makes...
Sorry for the sidetrack here...
While I don't (yet) own a 6.0, the ones I've driven have felt far stronger than my mildly chipped 7.3 did (let alone the tranny), and there is no comparison to anything out there on the '05+ 4x4 ride, especially considering that it's by far tops in capacity vs. the other makes...
Sorry for the sidetrack here...