427 sideoiler
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427 sideoiler
I am looking for information , schematics, specifications etc.
I had some one rebuild the engine and now with around 800 miles on it, I have what appears to be bearing material and very very fine ferrous metal in the oil and filter. I have sent an oil sample to St Louis to be analized, but do not have the results yet.
Opinions, thoughts or ideas?
Thanks!!
I had some one rebuild the engine and now with around 800 miles on it, I have what appears to be bearing material and very very fine ferrous metal in the oil and filter. I have sent an oil sample to St Louis to be analized, but do not have the results yet.
Opinions, thoughts or ideas?
Thanks!!
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From: south louisiana
Ford Performance by Pat Ganahl , and the Ford High Performance parts intechange book by George Reid. Both these are available thru Summit Racing and some of the big chain book stores. Most of the info as far as engine specs are accurate, but keep inmind that there's a small amount of wrong info in both. Mostly having to do with casting and part numbers. A Motor Repair Manual for the years 64-70 also has the engine specs for the 427. This book is an excellant source of info. You can still get them thru Barnes & Noble's used book section on line.
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Well your going to Particles in the Oil from a new rebuild..Nothing to worry about !! with just 800 miles on it....
Is this the 3rd oil change? I do one after cam brake in..and one at 500 mile's and then another at 1500 miles..and the regular 2500 to 3000 after that... JMO..
Russ
Is this the 3rd oil change? I do one after cam brake in..and one at 500 mile's and then another at 1500 miles..and the regular 2500 to 3000 after that... JMO..
Russ
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RapidRuss sounds accurate.
Also Ive got the "Ford High Performance Engine Parts Interchange" book. Its nice to read, you can check into what engines you can source your parts from. PM me if you need a certain dimension.
Also Ive got the "Ford High Performance Engine Parts Interchange" book. Its nice to read, you can check into what engines you can source your parts from. PM me if you need a certain dimension.
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Wow, I haven't been on here in a while! New smiley's!
Anyway, back on topic:
The book you want is "How to Rebuild Big-Block Ford Engines" by Steve Christ. ISBN # 0-89586-070-8 This book will tell you more than you ever wanted to know.
Anyway, back on topic:
The book you want is "How to Rebuild Big-Block Ford Engines" by Steve Christ. ISBN # 0-89586-070-8 This book will tell you more than you ever wanted to know.
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Thanks for the info guys. The knock that just started when engine is warmed up and the amount of material in the oil concerns me. I have been getting feedback from others as well. You guys ever hear about the 427 having much tighter manufacturing tolerances, to the point of............. "only use an engine rebuilder who specifically has experience with the Ford 427 side oiler".
Seems like EVERYONE I communicate with says it is NOT a typical big block, more of a swiss watch".
Or how about "if you don't use a certain type/style of piston the 427's will chew up rod bearings".
On another note, what do you guys think of straight 30 vs 5w30?
One last thing.......Any of you know of an engine rebuilder in the midwest that has experiance or working with Ford 427 sideoilers?
Due to the vintage of this engine, I'm afraid most of them have moved on to that big race track in the sky.
Seems like EVERYONE I communicate with says it is NOT a typical big block, more of a swiss watch".
Or how about "if you don't use a certain type/style of piston the 427's will chew up rod bearings".
On another note, what do you guys think of straight 30 vs 5w30?
One last thing.......Any of you know of an engine rebuilder in the midwest that has experiance or working with Ford 427 sideoilers?
Due to the vintage of this engine, I'm afraid most of them have moved on to that big race track in the sky.
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I sure as hell wouldn't run it any more, ferrous is bad and will imbed into soft bearings and pistons. A complete teardown may be in your future, I would bill the builder if he screwed up. Any engine not just a 427 should be built like a watch. Any motor shop can rebuild a 427, to do it correctly and know the little secrets of a 427 or FE is another story. This is why you should build your own motors I hate to say. Hope it's something cheap like timing chain eating sprockets, a cheap fix but again you stated knock. Bearing inspection time.
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The only things different on a side oiler 427 is the oil galleries and the cross bolted mains. The mains have to be torqued in a certain sequence and their spacers have to be in the places they were machined for. The spacers are all marked as to their location, the markings are hand etched and to the untrained , they all look the same, but they're not. Other than these two features, the bottom end is pretty much the same as any other FE. Tolerances are the same, cranks, rods, bearings (excepting the cam bearings) are the same. With a side oiler, you have to run a grooved cam, they're grooved at the 2nd and 4th journals. Most aftermarket cams for the FE's are as well. Sounds like you likely spun a rod bearing if it's knocking that soon.
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Oh, And you shouldn't have a problem locating a builder, the FE's are coming back into popularlity again. Got to the Big block FE Ford forum on Network54 for a builder recommendation, you'll end up with more choices than you wanted.
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I've got a 427 sideoiler, i need to check the castings and make sure that's what it is. Please HELP!!!!!!!
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From: "Islander"
Casting numbers;
C7AE-A 67 side oiler
C8AE-A 68 " "
C8AE-B " " "
C8AE-H " " "
C5AE-C 65 " "
C6AE-D 65-66 side oiler
Other 427's for marine, irrigation and industrial use.
What is the bore size and condition?
Is it complete with all main caps?
Hydraulic or solid lifter?
And asking price?
Block been sonic checked?
Welcome to the forum.
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C7AE-A 67 side oiler
C8AE-A 68 " "
C8AE-B " " "
C8AE-H " " "
C5AE-C 65 " "
C6AE-D 65-66 side oiler
Other 427's for marine, irrigation and industrial use.
What is the bore size and condition?
Is it complete with all main caps?
Hydraulic or solid lifter?
And asking price?
Block been sonic checked?
Welcome to the forum.
Carl.....=o&o>.....
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There are also 427 service blocks without casting numbers. If the block does have the crossbolts mains look on the left (dr) side of the block. You'll see three allen plugs in the sideoiler galley right above the crossbolts on the outside of the block. On the rear of the block you'll see in the lower left side a "8" shaped boss with 2 allen plugs in it. The block will have screw in steel freeze plugs. Marine blocks used brass screw in plugs. Get the head casting numbers and post them if you can. Head numbers are between the center two spark plugs. Good luck.
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