Err...
I'm wondering what sort of shockwave travels in a near vacuum.

 

I'm not a scientist, but I imagine an exploding star might create some ripples.

A near vacuum does not negate energy. I would suppose the shockwave would just travel unimpeded. The energy wave would be what? x-rays? gamma rays? light waves? super-heated cosmic dust? Dunno...

 

[QUOTE=FghtinIrshNvrDie]infinities aren't applicable to the universe. Ryan/QUOTE]

i always thought infinities were glorified, rebadged toyotas??

 

I would like an example as im not sure i understand what your saying. I think that its "possible" that the universe is infinite, im not saying it is or that i belive it is im saying its the one possiblity, the other obviously being that it isnt infinite. I belive time is irrelavent in this as time is nothing more than a measurement.

 

well, I'm going to use plain language, and not try to 'bs' you about other realities. I'll speak about the physical universe we are in.

In terms of space:

Have you been to the Library of Infinitiy? We went there for a field trip one time in high school. Rumor has it that they have an infinate amount of books. There are red books and blue books. There are an infinate amount of red books, and an infinate amount of blue books. Some kids had some questions while we were there on the field trip that left scientists puzzled.

Question #1: "Are there more red books, or blue books?"
Question #2: "If I check out a blue book, does that mean there are now more red books?"
Question #3: "If we then take 2 red books from the shelves, are there more blue books, or are they both still infinate?"
Question #4: "Where's the bathroom?"

I made up the last question, but it gives you something to think about. Infinities seem to work in mathematical equations, but remember, math is nothing that is tangible and physical that we experience. It is a metaphysical tool that we have developed that we use to help us understand what is going on around us. A very AWESOME tool if you ask me.

As it pertains to time:

If time is infinate, then there was an infinate amount of time before us, leading to today, right? Well... If you read into it, that can't really make any sense.

If the past was infinate, we wouldn't be here today. It is impossible to transverse an infinity of time, so how in the world did the universe ever get to this point along the timeline? I mean, it has an entire infinity to work on before it gets here. I think that would keep it busy for a while.

My conclusion: The universe had a birth, and we are bound by space and time. These are restrictions, and the infinities clearly cannot be applied to 'reality' as we experience it.

I'm sure there are holes in what I just typed, because I'm a person and I'm not perfect. If there are any arguments against what I've said, I'd like to discuss it. Philosophy is definately my favorite class at school.

Ryan

 

Ok ryan here goes,
First off if i had a penny for every time i re-read your last post i would have enough cash to upgrade my computer, and pay someone else to get rid of the rust on my truck so i dont have to. Your philosophy is very interesting, and im not sure i understand it the way you meant but i think i got the idea. Also when debating philosophical beliefs i get so technicall while thinking to myslef i often lose track of my own thoughts, so bear with me if what i type dosnt make sense.

Ok so what your saying is that if we cant be traveling on an infinite timeline because in order to get anywhere there would always be an infinity ahead of us, therefore were not moving (please tell me you understand what im saying this is hard for me to communicate). Now what im thinking is that time dosnt exist in reality. The reality is that time is made up by humans on account of our limited existance on this earth (or anywhere for that matter). This is why i say time is simply a measurement, nothing more.
Im going to assume i just confused the hell out of a lot of people, or i just sent the completely wrong message, so im gonna apologize in advance.

 

Time is a Moebius Strip. It just keeps going without crossing over anything.

Now I have a headache, did it begin, will it end or should I just go back to work?

 

Well, I get what you're saying, but I don't see time as a measurement. It is a 'restraint' to us. We cannot overcome time, or change it. We have the theory of relativity, but that seems to even make me think that it's molded more into reality than we'd like to admit. Time is what holds everything in sync, otherwise things could happen at any speed, and nothing would be predictable.

You talked about infinity being ahead of us, and that's spot on. That's what I'm saying, BUT, I think flipping it around is more effective. By putting an infinity of time behind us, there is absolutely no way, at all, that we could have gotten to today. After all, time is very much fabricated into reality. Everything in our universe (what I'm referring to as reality) is restrained and held accountable by time. If that weren't the case, then 2 cars going the same speed next to each other would get to a location at completely different times. But, that doesn't happen.

Ryan

 

the problem with your argument is that there is always a "before" the universe yes had to begin somewhere, but it is impossible for everything to have a beginning. for example nothing starts on its own. there is always an outside force that starts everything (EX: you start your car in the morning when you turn the ignition) so when you go back far enough one thing had to start everything and that thing (whatever name you give it [God, big bang, ect) since it started everything can't have started itself and it couldn't have just appeared so it had to have always been. and if something has always been, then there is inifinity in reality.

 

I have always heard the the universe is getting bigger and bigger from the big bang expanding. If the universe does stop somewhere, somehow, whats on the other side? I can't believe that I am talking about this without having any recreational drugs in my system.

 

its all made up to keep GOV funding up and people employed.

 

Or how about this:

There is no gravity; the earth sucks.

 

The big bang is just one half of what happens. When it starts contracting, thats when you might just as well cancel your dinner reservations.