Can I use engine parts from a 1958 ford school bus in my 1964 F600 292 firetruck. I have numbers from the'58 for the tranny, bell housing & intake manifold. Also what other F series motor mounts can be used for my F600?

 

First off, welcome to FTE!

Depending on what engine parts you are wanting to use & assuming the donor is a Y block & not a Lincoln Y, yes. The trans & bellhousing should work as both the bus & truck will have the side mounts. If you are changing actual trans types; for example, switching from a Clark 5-speed to a T-98 four speed, or a light three speed, etc., you might need to do some minor swapping of clutch discs, driveshaft yokes, U-joints, or alter the shaft length. You'll kind of need to see what happens when you actually do it. However, the trans will bolt up just fine from one Y block to another. Not sure about the Lincoln Y bellhousing pattern & whether it would fit.

Without trying to make this any more confusing, there are two different families of Y blocks. The Lincoln/heavy truck Y came first & is in sizes of 279, 302, 317, & 332 in the trucks (so far as I know, anyway). Lincolns had a couple of other sizes as well. What we call the Y block was made as the 239, 256, 272, 292, & 312, for Ford & Mercury trucks & cars. The two families look pretty similar, but aren't really interchangeable in terms of parts. So, make sure the donor bus (or whatever you find) has a Y block in it, not a Lincoln Y.

The Y block intake from the bus will physically bolt up & work, though you may find that the runner size & openings are slightly different. They might be the same; depends on what heads the bus had originally. It will work though.

Your F600 very likely has the HD 292, which has slightly different internals, namely a forged crank, slightly shorter C1TE rods, & different compression height pistons, so be aware of this if you need to rebuild it. Std. passenger 292 pistons will end up being too low in the bore at TDC. Just an FYI.

So far as the engine mounts go, all the trucks from 1953-on in the F100 & up had the front mount & two side bellhousing mount setup through '64. Apparently the bigger mediums like the F500 & up had them through the mid' 60s at least as late as '67. However, the Y block, Lincoln/heavy truck Y engine, & the six cylinders all used different brackets. I don't know how interchangeable they are or whether they have the same bolt spacings for the frame mount/pad. Looking at just the Y block, the front brackets through the years have minor cosmetic differences, but the ones I've seen have all been functionally identical.

Hopefully someone else will chime in with some more specifics about the trans swap, as the manuals aren't my strong point. I can't recall if the Lincoln Y has the same pattern, having a "stoopid" evening today.

 

Thank you, Homespun91. You have been a huge help.
Palomino73

 

Can I jump in on this thread with a question? I have a 55 F-600 and I'm going to replace the 239 (which is not original) with a 292 from a 59 or 60 F-100.

The centerline of the fan on the 239 is higher than the centerline of the waterpump and has it's own bearing that mounts on the 239 waterpump on a part of the casting that puts the fan higher.

Will I have to find another waterpump for the 292 that has a mount for the fan or can I change the fan shroud etc? I have heard that the newer trucks did not use a fan separate from the pump since it was aligned properly with the radiator.


Any ideas?

 

your 239 must be a 54 or the pump should fit the 292.i have seen lots of 292s with the fan mounted like your 239.i think i would look for another pump but its your call.

 

That's great.

I don't mind getting another pump. I just thought that they changed something where that type of pump was no longer used. Is the 239 pump big enough for the 292 (gal/min) or is it basically the same pump??

I'm sure I can get a rebuilt pump from NAPA etc or I can have this one rebuilt if it needs it..

I don't know which year 239 it is but it may be a newer one since I was able to install a 14 tooth dist from a 292 in it.

I guess I should take a look at the block ID again. ------------------------

Well I went out and looked....It's EBV 6016E (might have been 6015....Mummert says they're all 6015 absolutely an EBV though and a Dearborn block...numbers on the starter/gen side)
I guess it's a 239 with small cam bearings according to Mummerts site.