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Old Apr 28, 2006 | 12:06 PM
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Question can i use a remote start?

i have a 1975 f250 camper special with a 460/c6 trans, and im trying to make a little money after i restore it, ok. im thinking about buying a audiovox remote start/keyless entry w/extended ranch, for $45.00 but i dont know if it will work on my truck.
 
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Old Apr 28, 2006 | 12:27 PM
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it won't work on carb'd vehicles.
 
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Old Apr 28, 2006 | 03:54 PM
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I second that. You can get it to crank the engine but with a carb setup you won't be able to reliably get it to start.

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Old Apr 28, 2006 | 09:28 PM
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Some people have made them "work" but not reliably. Don't waste your money.
 
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Old Apr 29, 2006 | 11:05 AM
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You have to have an engine tuned like mine to be able to use a remote start (but only when it hasn't been sitting for a week or more)
 
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Old Apr 29, 2006 | 12:07 PM
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If you can start your truck by turning the key alone (not pumping the gas, etc) then a remote start will work on your truck. If you need to double pump before starting or rev it a bit at first to keep it going it won't work. The remote starter I use has adjustable settings so you can select how long the engine cranks or, alternately, you can set it up so it measures engine RPM, once your RPM is xxx it stops cranking.
 
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Old Apr 29, 2006 | 02:39 PM
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when its cold ill have to tap the gas a little, but during the summer time it starts without pushing the gas at all and it stays started, i set my idle high that way it will start faster when its cold and stay started, but i heard from someone my truck wont run as good when its warm is that true? so are you saying the remote start will work when my engine isnt cold?
 
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Old Apr 29, 2006 | 02:40 PM
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is $45 bucks for a remote start pretty good?
 
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Old Apr 29, 2006 | 02:43 PM
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I don't know what the Remote start brain box requires for feedback from the engine started and running,if any.
Maybe a signal is sent from the vehicle onboard computer to tell it to stop cranking.
In which case a non-computer controlled vehicle won't supply, unless it can get that from the Duraspark II I/M.

Maybe read this ?

http://www.commandoalarms.com/itmidx10.htm

I don't have time right now.
 
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Old Apr 29, 2006 | 04:47 PM
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Yes, if your truck will start & stay running without needing to push the gas pedal a remote start will work just fine.

I've used Rattler 569D (Rattler is made by D.E.I., same company that does Viper & Valet) in the past and love the unit (good range & works well). I've currently got one in my '01 car & will probably install one in my 1977 sometime in the future (my trucks been garaged the last 4 years which is why I haven't already. Running truck + enclosed space = bad Truck's already got keyless entry & I've still got a couple of extra 569D units laying around).

I'm not a fan of Audiovox.

Price depends on where you buy it (Best Buy vs ebay) and who's going to install it (yourself vs shop).

Install is harder than a stereo but still pretty straight forward. I don't know why in the world you'd need to connect it to a onboard computer?? Basically the remote start just turns the key for you. It's got a couple of power feeds that go to your acc/coil wire & another one that goes to your start wire. It'll feed a constant 12v to your coil & will give 12v to your starter wire until your truck is started.

The three ways I know they get feedback to when your trucks is started is:

1. Time ("cranks" the engine for a set time and assumes it's running)
2. Voltage (Measures system voltage, alternator turning = engine turning)
3. RPM (RPM will jump from "starting" RPM to "running" RPM)

The whole "remote start doesn't work w/ carbs" is so the company who makes the remote start doesn't have to take a bunch of calls from people who don't understand the remote start won't pump the gas pedal along w/ "turning the key".

REMOTE START WILL WORK W/ YOUR CARB'ED VEH IF YOUR VEH STARTS WITHOUT DOING ANYTHING OTHER THAN TURNING THE KEY.
 
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Old Apr 29, 2006 | 07:21 PM
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If that is the case.
How the does the remote system know the engine has started and to stop cranking the starter?

My EFI Lincoln was hard starting a few weeks ago.

It just kept cranking & cranking until is stopped by itself.

Yet, when the engine starts,the starter stops cranking right away.

How would it know to stop unless it got an electronic signal from something ?

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Old Apr 29, 2006 | 08:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Mil1ion
If that is the case.
How the does the remote system know the engine has started and to stop cranking the starter?
See my post above.

Time & RPM are the two main ways for a remote starter to work. The remote starter usually uses voltage to determine if the engine has started.

1. Time - You can set it to crank... say 1.2 secs. Generally a car/truck in good condition will take roughly the same amount of cranking time to start everytime. If 1.2 secs is too long/short you program the remote starter to decrease/increase cranking time.

In my case the "stock" cranking time was too short for my car, I increased the cranking time .2 secs and it starts everytime.

2. RPM - You connect the remote starter as a tach. It cranks until the engine hits the desired RPM. A "cranking" engine and a "running" engine have different rpms. ;-)

3. Voltage - More to let the remote start know it worked. It "remote starts" the car/truck. Waits 5 secs, does a Voltage check, if the voltage is below threshold it tries again 15 secs later (Or so... probably depends on remote starter, I think mine waits 15 secs & tries again up to three times... not really sure about this since it works the first time )

Pretty much to run a remote starter the only thing the Car/Truck needs to supply is a 12v power source.... hardly need a computer for that!

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My EFI Lincoln was hard starting a few weeks ago.

It just kept cranking & cranking until is stopped by itself.

Yet, when the engine starts,the starter stops cranking right away.

How would it know to stop unless it got an electronic signal from something ?
I assume you mean your Lincoln with a remote start? Could have been the person who installed it set it up as a tach operated remote start.

If it is a factory remote start it could be connected to the computer to receive something.... I'm not saying a remote starter can't receive info from a computer... I'm just saying it doesn't HAVE to receive this info to work.

The only input from your truck a remote start system needs in order to work is a 12v input.

Granted, if your remote starter was set up w/ only a 12 v input it would have failed to start your car when it was hard starting (or, if you increased crank time to compensate it would have ground your flexplate when it started correctly).

However, back to the myth of needing EFI for a remote start, it's simply not true. The only thing you need is a 12v input and a Truck that starts when you turn the key without needing to pump the gas. (Assuming it starts in roughly the same amount of time each time... which I take for granted in a well maintained truck) (And yes, I did NOT say you needed an Automatic... again most companies will say you do so they don't get sued by stupid people, but remote starts can and do work in "stick" trucks... and while we're clearing up what you can and can't do... you can also install them in diesels )
 
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Old Apr 30, 2006 | 12:50 AM
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The throttle has to move to set the choke on a carb vehicle. The remote start would at least have to set the choke some way. They can work but the amount of piddling one would have to do is not worth it.
 
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Old Apr 30, 2006 | 01:56 AM
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I guess you would have to pump the pedal once after you shut it off to reset the choke.
It seems that if you richen up your idle mix some it would start easier. maybe? am I wrong here?
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Old Apr 30, 2006 | 02:28 AM
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The engine has to cool off before the choke can be set.
 
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