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and to think about it, the ultra low sulfur fuel is worse for our engines than the fuel used now. when they remove the sulfur (that has no lubricity) it removes other particles that DO add lubricity. these fuels are going to be hell on injectors and pumps if untreated.
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Ease off the oil industry? I think not!!! All they do is use any excuse they can to raise prices. Some people make alot less than 10.00 per/hour . Real soon it will cost too much just to drive to work. They shut this country down and then who will buy their oil and gas. Ford and GM are in a bind now, who will buy their cars and trucks?
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Originally Posted by MRBASS
Ease off on the oil industry? Didnt i just see on the news about some Exxon exec who retired and got some 400million retirement package? Ease off of the oil industry?,, I think not.
Think of the young guy with a family and a $10.00 and hr job. What do you think the fuel prices are doing to him? Poor guy probably cant even afford to drive his powerstroke to work anymore..
Ease off the oil Industry,,Not a chance..
Think of the young guy with a family and a $10.00 and hr job. What do you think the fuel prices are doing to him? Poor guy probably cant even afford to drive his powerstroke to work anymore..
Ease off the oil Industry,,Not a chance..
The poor guy with the $10 job, I have never seen a job that pays $10 that requires you to drive a diesel. He needs to live within his means.
The oil industry is just like any other, except we provide the blood that keeps this world alive.
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Thread moved to General Diesel. This topic could apply to any diesel engine. 
WBHinton thank you for sharing your view from the trenches.
And guys, if you really are concerned about fuel prices and live close enough to a filling station, keep the money at home, support the US economy by buying Bio-diesel. Here in Seattle it's only 7¢ more than Dino right now.
Your injectors will thank you.
WBHinton thank you for sharing your view from the trenches.
And guys, if you really are concerned about fuel prices and live close enough to a filling station, keep the money at home, support the US economy by buying Bio-diesel. Here in Seattle it's only 7¢ more than Dino right now.
Your injectors will thank you.
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Originally Posted by wbhinton
Ease off on the oil industry. I am not a fan of the super major companies, but there are tons of smaller independent oil companies that don't make the big money.
Buy they make alot....
If you would like to blame fuel prices, you should place the blame where it belongs, not on an easy scape goat.
The reasons behind high prices for Americans are numerous, here is a list of a few:
Tensions in the Middle East, namely Iran which is the second largest oil producer in OPEC (nuclear program)
there have ALWAYS BEEN tensions in the middle east...! read a history book...
Lack of ability to explore domestic oil and gas. There is enough KNOWN oil and gas in fields that have yet to be developed (because of government regulations) that could reduce the US dependance on foriegn oil by 85%. If we explore and produce all of our potential reservoirs, it is very likely that we could become independent of foriegn oil and gas for the next 50+ years.
true... the government has choked domestic development... but big oil hasn't tried very hard to get this fixed...
Tree Huggers, Green Peace, the EPA and all the other environmental organizations. These guys do not understand how environmentally friendly the oil field really is, most of them probably drive through producing oil fields and don't even know it. They create these regulations out of ingnorance and do not realize the economic effects on the nation.
also true... but big oil is NOT interested in teaching people about this are they...?
You cannot sit there and just blame Exxon-Mobil for high prices. The oil industry is a High-Risk High-Return industry and alot of people focus on the huge returns but never see all of the busts.
Exxon--- the highest net profit maker in the history of the world... some bust..!
Before you bi+ch and moan too much about high energy prices, sit back and think about what would happen if we just shut every well in and quit producing oil and gas.
i NEVER advocated this... do NOT put words in my mouth...!
How would your life change? And before you think "oh I could live with out gas..." Petroleum products are in almost every product you buy and are involved some how in EVERYTHING YOU USE every single day..... EVERYTHING.
again... i NEVER SAID THIS...! i am no fool... and i can see you are just a SPIN MACHINE...
The oil patch puts food on the table for alot of people in this country, try not to bite the hand that feeds you.
the oil patch takes more food OFF my table than you will EVER know.. stop reading your "big oil company talking points"... i'm not buying it...
W.B. Hinton
Petroleum Engineer, Texas A&M University
Buy they make alot....
If you would like to blame fuel prices, you should place the blame where it belongs, not on an easy scape goat.
The reasons behind high prices for Americans are numerous, here is a list of a few:
Tensions in the Middle East, namely Iran which is the second largest oil producer in OPEC (nuclear program)
there have ALWAYS BEEN tensions in the middle east...! read a history book...
Lack of ability to explore domestic oil and gas. There is enough KNOWN oil and gas in fields that have yet to be developed (because of government regulations) that could reduce the US dependance on foriegn oil by 85%. If we explore and produce all of our potential reservoirs, it is very likely that we could become independent of foriegn oil and gas for the next 50+ years.
true... the government has choked domestic development... but big oil hasn't tried very hard to get this fixed...
Tree Huggers, Green Peace, the EPA and all the other environmental organizations. These guys do not understand how environmentally friendly the oil field really is, most of them probably drive through producing oil fields and don't even know it. They create these regulations out of ingnorance and do not realize the economic effects on the nation.
also true... but big oil is NOT interested in teaching people about this are they...?
You cannot sit there and just blame Exxon-Mobil for high prices. The oil industry is a High-Risk High-Return industry and alot of people focus on the huge returns but never see all of the busts.
Exxon--- the highest net profit maker in the history of the world... some bust..!
Before you bi+ch and moan too much about high energy prices, sit back and think about what would happen if we just shut every well in and quit producing oil and gas.
i NEVER advocated this... do NOT put words in my mouth...!
How would your life change? And before you think "oh I could live with out gas..." Petroleum products are in almost every product you buy and are involved some how in EVERYTHING YOU USE every single day..... EVERYTHING.
again... i NEVER SAID THIS...! i am no fool... and i can see you are just a SPIN MACHINE...
The oil patch puts food on the table for alot of people in this country, try not to bite the hand that feeds you.
the oil patch takes more food OFF my table than you will EVER know.. stop reading your "big oil company talking points"... i'm not buying it...
W.B. Hinton
Petroleum Engineer, Texas A&M University
i know all about this stuff... even though i am not an engineer anymore... i can tell you this though... if the big oil companies wanted to... they could get the US off the foriegn oil within a few years... we would all be using biodiesel and gas alternatives... don't say it can't be done because i know better.. the big oil companies DO NOT do it becaue they DO NOT WANT to do it... and why should they when they can keep making BILLIONS in PROFITS every year... as one of the "average citizens" of this country, i don't appreciate it one damn bit... and they ARE to blame because they don't care about their customers... they got us all hanging over a barrel by our short hairs and they'll keep it that way for as long as they can... trust me when i tell you the big oil companies don't deserve ANY pity, nor do they deserve a pass when it comes to the LAME excuses they spin at us everyday... they cry "market instability", they cry "unsure speculations", they cry "middle east tensions"... they are crying their lying asses all the way to the bank...
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Originally Posted by Kwikkordead
Thread moved to General Diesel. This topic could apply to any diesel engine.
WBHinton thank you for sharing your view from the trenches.
And guys, if you really are concerned about fuel prices and live close enough to a filling station, keep the money at home, support the US economy by buying Bio-diesel. Here in Seattle it's only 7¢ more than Dino right now.
Your injectors will thank you.
WBHinton thank you for sharing your view from the trenches.
And guys, if you really are concerned about fuel prices and live close enough to a filling station, keep the money at home, support the US economy by buying Bio-diesel. Here in Seattle it's only 7¢ more than Dino right now.
Your injectors will thank you.
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Originally Posted by chevskeezy
I can definately see your point but you cant argue with the fact that the oil companys are making record profits. Plus diesel is less refined than gas and is cheaper to produce so why does it cost more? im still waiting for a clear answer. ive got 4 old propane tanks that are gonna get filled with diesel pretty soon, try to save me some money
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Originally Posted by strokin_it7.3
and to think about it, the ultra low sulfur fuel is worse for our engines than the fuel used now. when they remove the sulfur (that has no lubricity) it removes other particles that DO add lubricity. these fuels are going to be hell on injectors and pumps if untreated.
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Originally Posted by wbhinton
CEO's of any large company in any industry retire with multimillion dollar packages.
that justifies absolutely NOTHING..!!!
The poor guy with the $10 job, I have never seen a job that pays $10 that requires you to drive a diesel. He needs to live within his means.
oh, so now i'm too POOR to have the truck i have... NICE..!
The oil industry is just like any other, except we provide the blood that keeps this world alive.
that justifies absolutely NOTHING..!!!
The poor guy with the $10 job, I have never seen a job that pays $10 that requires you to drive a diesel. He needs to live within his means.
oh, so now i'm too POOR to have the truck i have... NICE..!
The oil industry is just like any other, except we provide the blood that keeps this world alive.
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Originally Posted by Muktown
i agree its insane how much diesel costs. with all this talk about ethanol driving up gas prices why does diesel go up with it too? they have nothing to do with each other. i just dont see why if gas goes up diesel has to also. and how can bio cost more than regular diesel if it is grown in the u.s. sombodys got to do something about this. Diesel will be up to $3.50 a gallon like last year very soon
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Johnny,
I am sorry you dislike the oil and gas industry so much. I have conducted studies and research regarding the economics of the energy business. The simplest model is a supply and demand curve. Currently the demand for energy exceeds the current supply. Therefore cost increases.
Now oil companies are oil companies, not hydrogen fuel cell companies, or bio-fuel companies. We are in the buisiness of finding, producing and supplying hydrocarbons. We are not money grubbing SOB's like you seem to think.
You have obviously never worked in the oil and gas industry as an engineer.
If you would like me to provide you specific documentation on why you are flat out WRONG on your accusations, I will.
I am sorry you dislike the oil and gas industry so much. I have conducted studies and research regarding the economics of the energy business. The simplest model is a supply and demand curve. Currently the demand for energy exceeds the current supply. Therefore cost increases.
Now oil companies are oil companies, not hydrogen fuel cell companies, or bio-fuel companies. We are in the buisiness of finding, producing and supplying hydrocarbons. We are not money grubbing SOB's like you seem to think.
You have obviously never worked in the oil and gas industry as an engineer.
If you would like me to provide you specific documentation on why you are flat out WRONG on your accusations, I will.
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Originally Posted by wbhinton
Oh and just in case you were not aware, the oil and gas industry is an INTERNATIONAL industry. Read up on current world events and politics.
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Johnny,
" I am sorry you dislike the oil and gas industry so much. I have conducted studies and research regarding the economics of the energy business. "
why not just do some studies, basic ones mind you, on the basics of economics... then you might realize the evil of what is being done...
The simplest model is a supply and demand curve. Currently the demand for energy exceeds the current supply. Therefore cost increases.
"PROFIT MONGERING" is the REAL reason for the cost increases... there is NO OTHER EXPLAINATION FOR THE PROFITS BEING MADE..!!!! if cost increases were the REAL reason for the PRICE increases... PROFITS WOULD REMAIN CONSTANT... BUT THEY HAVEN'T HAVE THEY...? who do you think i am...? some simpleton with no concept of the theories of supply and demand... you say lots of things, but the logic of your hypothetical statements are fundamentally flawed... you present no evidence for the supposistions you make, yet i am supposed to except your word as the expert you declare yourself to be...? come on man...! your industry is bleeding the life out of EVERY buisness and EVERY person in THE WORLD..!!! You all have the ABILITY and the CAPABILITY to develop, produce, and market products like biodiesel, but you lack the moral fiber to make that choice..!!! and who better than the big oil companies to make the investment and take the risk to develop these fuel than the companies that will make MULTIPLIED BILLIONS in the selling of these fuels WORDLWIDE..!!! Don't tell me you are in the hydrocarbon buisness... you are in the FUEL buisness... don't mince words... get on board... do the right thing... help make this country the GLOBAL LEADER it NEEDS to be...!!! Make the fuels that will CLEANLY and COST EFFECTIVELY FREE THE ENTIRE WORLD from the MADNESS that permiates the middle east... remove the STRANGLEHOLD these oil shieks have on the world and you will ELIMINATE thier relevance..!!! and best of all... you will get even RICHER while doing it... and you will have a CLEAR CONSCIENCE to boot..!!! MAN..!!! CAN'T YOU SEE IT..!!! I don't dislike the oil and gas industry... you guys are the MOST IMPORTANT PIECE in the picture that is the future... i am however PROFOUNDLY DISSAPOINTED that you refuse to see the positive effect you, and only you, can have on said future... and in refusing to see this, you condem us all....
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" I am sorry you dislike the oil and gas industry so much. I have conducted studies and research regarding the economics of the energy business. "
why not just do some studies, basic ones mind you, on the basics of economics... then you might realize the evil of what is being done...
The simplest model is a supply and demand curve. Currently the demand for energy exceeds the current supply. Therefore cost increases.
"PROFIT MONGERING" is the REAL reason for the cost increases... there is NO OTHER EXPLAINATION FOR THE PROFITS BEING MADE..!!!! if cost increases were the REAL reason for the PRICE increases... PROFITS WOULD REMAIN CONSTANT... BUT THEY HAVEN'T HAVE THEY...? who do you think i am...? some simpleton with no concept of the theories of supply and demand... you say lots of things, but the logic of your hypothetical statements are fundamentally flawed... you present no evidence for the supposistions you make, yet i am supposed to except your word as the expert you declare yourself to be...? come on man...! your industry is bleeding the life out of EVERY buisness and EVERY person in THE WORLD..!!! You all have the ABILITY and the CAPABILITY to develop, produce, and market products like biodiesel, but you lack the moral fiber to make that choice..!!! and who better than the big oil companies to make the investment and take the risk to develop these fuel than the companies that will make MULTIPLIED BILLIONS in the selling of these fuels WORDLWIDE..!!! Don't tell me you are in the hydrocarbon buisness... you are in the FUEL buisness... don't mince words... get on board... do the right thing... help make this country the GLOBAL LEADER it NEEDS to be...!!! Make the fuels that will CLEANLY and COST EFFECTIVELY FREE THE ENTIRE WORLD from the MADNESS that permiates the middle east... remove the STRANGLEHOLD these oil shieks have on the world and you will ELIMINATE thier relevance..!!! and best of all... you will get even RICHER while doing it... and you will have a CLEAR CONSCIENCE to boot..!!! MAN..!!! CAN'T YOU SEE IT..!!! I don't dislike the oil and gas industry... you guys are the MOST IMPORTANT PIECE in the picture that is the future... i am however PROFOUNDLY DISSAPOINTED that you refuse to see the positive effect you, and only you, can have on said future... and in refusing to see this, you condem us all....
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