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Ok I told everyone I'd give up the scoop on the turbo, here it is. The short of it is, I sold a better turbo. When your looking for any advantage in pulling you can get sometimes you do stupid things. I bought a Ball Buster, HTTP what ever you want to call it.
I was hopeing for more and got less. This turbo will only build 35 lbs of boost. The van turbo topped out at 39. The van had a noticeably better bottom and top end. The mid range is great, 2200 to 3000 it pulls hard. There would be no power curve, on a graph it would be straight up and down.
For those that have been on a dyno this turbo would show more power. It's all in how fast from start to end that you spin the rollers. It may show advantages pulling as long as I keep it at peek. I would suggest the van turbo over it for a daily driver. The van turbo has a flatter power curve and is cheeper.
We're trying to decide on weather to send it back and have it fitted with a different compressor side or go all the way to a Fat Shaft 66. Who knows maybe I'll go to the dark side.
I was hopeing for more and got less. This turbo will only build 35 lbs of boost. The van turbo topped out at 39. The van had a noticeably better bottom and top end. The mid range is great, 2200 to 3000 it pulls hard. There would be no power curve, on a graph it would be straight up and down.
For those that have been on a dyno this turbo would show more power. It's all in how fast from start to end that you spin the rollers. It may show advantages pulling as long as I keep it at peek. I would suggest the van turbo over it for a daily driver. The van turbo has a flatter power curve and is cheeper.
We're trying to decide on weather to send it back and have it fitted with a different compressor side or go all the way to a Fat Shaft 66. Who knows maybe I'll go to the dark side.
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Ah come on Kevin, i thought you said you got a "nice" one. ball buster? come on... you said it was already available, so what all did you tweak it to make it 'custom'? i seriously think you should go with a WideOpen Performance QSSB turbo. ONLY $2700 (i think) and it will have a negative pressure ratio. one pound of drive pressure will make MORE than a pound of boost. check it out.
did you get those 'studs in yet?
http://www.wideopenperformance.net/
did you get those 'studs in yet?
http://www.wideopenperformance.net/
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Not big enough if I go all out. The Fat Shaft 66 is larger than the Aurora 5000. The one I bought was worked over. I was trying to stay in work stock or stock turbo class. Some times you have to try to play the game.
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http://www.longislandperformancediesel.com/Ford%2099-03/Ford%20-%2099-03%20-%20Turbo.htm
twinnies? take the van turbo and add this on top.. ooh la la.
twinnies? take the van turbo and add this on top.. ooh la la.
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That was the last thing I figured you'd buy. Especially after all the bad reputation that thing has been getting. But, I guess we all learned something first and second hand here.
By go all out, are you talking new injectors too? I'm curious as to how these turbos stack up as far as lag and size go. The HTTP, Aurora 5000, Fat Shaft 66, H2E, and QSSB? The best I can put together it goes something like this from biggest to smallest: Fat Shaft, Aurora, HTTP, QSSB, H2E, then of course the van turbo. Is that correct?
Dark side??? You don't mean....Dodge?
By go all out, are you talking new injectors too? I'm curious as to how these turbos stack up as far as lag and size go. The HTTP, Aurora 5000, Fat Shaft 66, H2E, and QSSB? The best I can put together it goes something like this from biggest to smallest: Fat Shaft, Aurora, HTTP, QSSB, H2E, then of course the van turbo. Is that correct?
Dark side??? You don't mean....Dodge?
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I have enough fuel for a bigger turbo. The question is do I jump up a class and run with the big dogs. As for as lag the Fat Shaft 66 is a one off S300 it flows more air than the H2E or the HX55 but spools like a QSB.
Dodge or a 6.0
Dodge or a 6.0
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Originally Posted by mybigredford
i dont understand, everyone on here talks about how good the van turbos are, why the heck doesnt ford just use them in all their diesel trucks and vans??? seems simple to me!
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With a completely stock setup, and even a mildly modified one, there is more turbo lag with the van turbo. I would suspect that Ford used the different turbo on the trucks for faste spool up and perceived better performance. They probably used a different one in the van due to packaging reasons. It's a tight fit under the hood of the van, and probably wasn't room to stick a wastegate actuator on the top of the turbo.
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Originally Posted by jtharvey
With a completely stock setup, and even a mildly modified one, there is more turbo lag with the van turbo. I would suspect that Ford used the different turbo on the trucks for faste spool up and perceived better performance. They probably used a different one in the van due to packaging reasons. It's a tight fit under the hood of the van, and probably wasn't room to stick a wastegate actuator on the top of the turbo.
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Originally Posted by jtharvey
Van turbo has no wastegate.
On Edit: Skip it, not what this thread is about.
Last edited by Tenn01PSD350; Mar 28, 2006 at 12:14 AM.