4.6 vs 5.4..........
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From: Upstate, NY
Originally Posted by superrangerman2002
Yeah, but thats alot less than the 14000 lbs that my fathers Ranger is overloaded by! 
I realize this, like I said I don't pull it down the highway at highway speeds, just down back roads (our back roads are dirt btw ) and around the yards.
You guys really think that your truck will instantaneously combust if you over load the rating by 1 pound?
The ratings are for what the truck is SAFELY rated for, I know that once and a while I'm well out side those ratings and drive accordingly at my own risk.
I realize this, like I said I don't pull it down the highway at highway speeds, just down back roads (our back roads are dirt btw
) and around the yards.You guys really think that your truck will instantaneously combust if you over load the rating by 1 pound?
The ratings are for what the truck is SAFELY rated for, I know that once and a while I'm well out side those ratings and drive accordingly at my own risk.
I'd love to see that Ranger in action!!! Must be quite a show!!!
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Originally Posted by Biggziff
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt as you clearly did zero research before you posted. The fiver I towed weighs 4500 pounds empty and was designed specifically to be towed with lightweight trucks. It has a very low profile nose cone that is very aerodynamic. The unit in question is a 1992 Shadow Cruiser. I owned it for about a year and on both big trips (once to DC and once to NC) I got an actual mileage of 13.3 MPG. There is no way a 4.6 will pull the big hills at 70 towing a trailer like this. I was usually running 62 on the mild hills and 50 or so on the big ones. I tow in OD so that helps with the mileage considerably. I'm far from maxed out and these units tow lke they're not even there. Here's a pic for you
http://www.av8r.org/pics/main.php?g2_itemId=2383
I'd say that your PSD is sick if you only get 17 empty. I have 3 friends with 2500HD duramax/allison trucks and they all get 20 or better empty. I borrowed one to tow a 5 place enclosed snowmobile trailer this winter. Had 5 sleds, 5 guys and all our gear crammed into the truck and we got 18 running 75 up to Tug Hill to ride. Then again..maybe thats all the PSDs get? I've never driven one. WIth all the problems the 6.0 PSD has, I've never even considered it in my search for a new diesel replacement truck. Have they managed to fix this engine yet?
Anyway, just because you don't know about it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. There are quite a few fivers now that weigh under 5000 pounds and more coming all the time. Its a nice trend to see with all the newer trucks getting higher capacities!
http://www.av8r.org/pics/main.php?g2_itemId=2383
I'd say that your PSD is sick if you only get 17 empty. I have 3 friends with 2500HD duramax/allison trucks and they all get 20 or better empty. I borrowed one to tow a 5 place enclosed snowmobile trailer this winter. Had 5 sleds, 5 guys and all our gear crammed into the truck and we got 18 running 75 up to Tug Hill to ride. Then again..maybe thats all the PSDs get? I've never driven one. WIth all the problems the 6.0 PSD has, I've never even considered it in my search for a new diesel replacement truck. Have they managed to fix this engine yet?
Anyway, just because you don't know about it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. There are quite a few fivers now that weigh under 5000 pounds and more coming all the time. Its a nice trend to see with all the newer trucks getting higher capacities!
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Originally Posted by Sean02SD
Wow, look at the lies in this post!
7 ton of feed? hahaha, 15-18 mpg? hahaha
My intention of this thread was to get advice, HONEST advice. Man there's so many liars on these boards it's hard to weed out fact from fiction.
7 ton of feed? hahaha, 15-18 mpg? hahaha
My intention of this thread was to get advice, HONEST advice. Man there's so many liars on these boards it's hard to weed out fact from fiction.
Whoaaaa, like i said i dont care what you say.butttttt........ dude i aint no lier. i'm not selling you a truck. i dont make a penny off what you buy. why would i tell you i pull 7 tons when i dont? do you even know what 7tons is? i gave you honest advice which was to buy the highest trim you can afford to keep in resale value. 2nd advice was to buy the 5.4 cause you mentioned the $900 difference. it is a fact not an oppinion or "lie" that you get alot more for $900 than a upgraded engine. its also honest that you cant go after market and make that truck to the same as a 5.4 for $900. i think a rearend swap is like $2300. that was an estament.
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Originally Posted by Biggziff
You're talking abou 4100 pounds!!! thats a LOT of weight..somewhere around 80% of the weight of the truck and WAY over the GCVWR for any 150.
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From: South Dakota
Originally Posted by Biggziff
I'd love to see that Ranger in action!!! Must be quite a show!!!
The stock bumper really hates that gravity box!
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Originally Posted by the4by4freek
As far as not knowing.... your dead wrong. See, that was one of your many mistakes. You clearly stated above that your trailer is 4500lbs EMPTY! By the time you put your gear in it and fill the propane bottles you're well over 5000 LBS! You see I have researched this and do in fact know what I'm talking about. Water is just under 8lbs/ gal. So there's even more weight. Then if you factor in food , cause you gotta eat factor in more weight. I have been RVing since I was a little kid. I am now 36 and still go. The PSD that I was referring to was the 7.3, you know, Ford has made more than one PSD. Gearing also has alot to do with fuel mileage. The vehicle I was referring to has 4:10's. To top it all off, any person that has towed any ammount knows that you're not supposed to tow in OD because you will cook the OD. IT is clearly stated in the manual and on any RV site that you may want to visit. If you need links to them please let me know and I will send you a page of them. Please double check your facts before you post again. It's people like you that **** off people like us that give accurate and honest information!
I know all about the anemic 7.3 PSD..thought you had a newer vehicle. I also know what Ford says about OD. I tow in it as I replace my trucks every 2 years or so and I get better mileage towing in OD. Never had a tranny blow up yet (in 41 years) towing this way. I have 3.73s in my 150 which were my choice after calculating the actual final drive ratios in that truck manually. Best overall choice for the load I was intending to tow. 4.10 would have given me more capacity, but worse mileage and as I knew exactly what this camper weighed because I had weighed it on a Cat scale, ready to camp, I knew what final drive to buy to get the best overall performance. I could have shotgunned it and just bought a 5.4 or a diesel and 4.10s and had way more capacity, but why? I verifed my need and bought to capacity.
I don't tow with water in the tanks, and 4500 pounds is that camper ready to camp (less 100 pounds for food and drink that we take and the 70 pounds of clothes and personal items we take...empty doesn't always mean nothing in it.) I've weighed it empty and ready to go and know EXACTLY what it weighs. When is the last time *you* saw a Cat scale? I suspect you don't know what it is without looking it up.
Anyway, its clear this is going nowhere. My facts are just that..facts. I can back each and every one up with gas receipts and scale tickets. How about you?
Last edited by Biggziff; Apr 3, 2006 at 12:54 PM.
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Originally Posted by exiled
I dont know where you got 4100lbs. but yea my trailer and feed weigh more than thr gcvwr. i am aware of this. i'm not suggesting this truck was built for this or that its wise. i just do it. i just replied to that we only haul ourselfs in these trucks. i work my truck.
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As nice and useful as this forum is, and it IS. It's equally unfortunate that there are so many who are willing to lie about what they paid for their truck, fuel mileage, how much it will haul/tow, etc. because that kind of information can be harmful to people who are interested in these issues.
Not to sound like a wet blanket, but there is close to as much misinformation (at times) as there is honest info.
Despite the few who constantly fib, it's still a great forum.
Not to sound like a wet blanket, but there is close to as much misinformation (at times) as there is honest info.
Despite the few who constantly fib, it's still a great forum.
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