gutless 460!!!
Bore 4.360
Stroke 3.85
Cyinders 8
Head cc's. I used 76 for DO and 96 for D3
Piston dome -22
Gasket thickness I used .051 and added .022 for the tall deck D1
Ok lets clarify some things on my position on DOVE heads, first off DOVE heads may or may not have a thermactor hump so there is a restriction but the C8, and C9s don't yet the DOVE heads will bring almost twice as much money on places live ebay. If your going to go with the early heads then don't go looking for DOVEs because some maginzine published thta those were the ones to get everyone looks for them, go look for an earlier set Like C9VE heads flow just as good or better than dove heads with the same combustion chamber for half the price. Next when your building an engine you can setup the comp ratio by piston choice, and piston to deck hieght clearence, so you can run dish pistons, and a set of DOVE heads or flat tops and a set of D3VE heads that cost even less than the D9VE heads, and way less than a set of DOVE heads infact some people will even give you the D3VE heads they took off of thier engine when you sold them the DOVE heads you had laying around for more than they are worth (yes I have done that). The truth of the matter according to Scott J aka the mad porter, and others myself included is the amount of difference in flow between both unported, and equally ported early and late model heads is negligable so compression is your only advantage, and that can be setup when the engine is put together. Now if your dealing with a race gas only engine then by all means run the early heads because you can get them into the 11:1+ range a lot easier without the use of a dome piston but most of the engines that are bieng discussed on here are pump gas engines that the desired comp ratio is easy to optain with proper choice of pistons, and having the block decked to bring the piston up to the top of the deck. (you can mill .080 of these blocks if you have to they will take it unlike a big block chevy block).
Will bolting on a set of DOVE, or earlier heads onto a stock 75 460 increase power? yes it will. So will bolting on a set of headers, or an alum intake, or changing the timing chain, putting on a better ignition system etc, etc. But the gain isn't about flow it's about compression only. I don't have anything against DOVE heads except the hype, which has driven the price way up, and I am trying to save you guys money in your engine builds. 2 engines built to the same specs such as the same compression etc with the same cam, intake carb on and on. but one with DOVE heads, and one with D3VE heads will end up at the same hp but the one with the D3VE heads is going to end up costing 100-500 less because of buying the heads in the first place depending on where you are and how hard the DOVE heads are to come by in your area. And the difference will be even greater if you sell the dove heads to some other guy that thinks they are the answer and getting his D3VE heads for nothing.
Now if you want to spend the money on a set just so you can say your running DOVE heads by all means go right ahead, but I am going to take that extra money and put it into something that will actually gain me more power and beat you in a race while running the D3VE heads. And I don't think it is right to keep telling people to spend that money, when in truth they aren't going to gain anything by it.
I am just trying to save my FTE family members money on thier engine builds, and get them the most bang for the buck but if that type of advice isn't wanted I will just stay out of it, and keep building engines my way cheaper.
Edit to answer Barca's question, no your not going to gain much by switching a duraspark box out for an MSD on a low rpm engine but I wasn't going to say it, I have enough aurguments about the heads as evidenced by the earlier part of this post.
And the spacer I mentioned before was the HVH super sucker.
Last edited by monsterbaby; Feb 25, 2006 at 11:45 AM.
oops I see I wrote D9VE heads in the post above that was a typo and I corrected it.
This is the order I would do things in.
1st. Change intake gaskets and or intakes. If you wanna put an aluminum intake on you can sell the CJ. They are bringing $100 pretty easy on e-bay. Then see how it runs.
2nd. Put an ignition box on it. MSD, Accel, ect.
3rd. headers. They are not cheap is why I put them last. they will cost $400+ for new ones.
Don't know that I'd throw money at an ignition just yet. The Duraspark should be fine for now. We gotta get everything else up to speed first, and right now the headers are a serious choke point. Once the headers are on and everything else it dialed in, then he can start putting back pennies for an upgraded ignition.
Brad
http://raceabilene.com/kelly/hotrod/engine3.htmlk at this page...a little port work won't hurt. you need to toss the "RV" cam, you won't get anything but crappy milage and pethetic power...from experience, i know! i went from a "RV" cam to a Crane 270H cam in my 427w and a big difference it made. plus i'm using smaller heads than you! i'd try something @214/218 duration at .050 and a .480 to .520 lift
Last edited by termyt00; Feb 26, 2006 at 11:37 PM.
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