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Excuse me for being so incompetent but i gotta know...Tonite spent hours trying to pull my rear axel shaft however, after removing the wheel the drum would not brak free. Backed the brakes all the way out, tapped all around but wouldnt break free. We did get it loose but it wouldn't come all the way off.Any suggestions short of busting it up? Key point here is Ive got a blown seal so theres 90 wt. been squirted all over inside. Any suggestions would be apreciatted.
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We really need more info on what type of rear this is. I think the Dana 60 requires that you remove the axle and retaining bolt to get the entire hub off. I don't know about the Ford 9" but it might be simular. Tell us what you have.
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JB, The drum is hanging up on the brake shoes. Release the Hand Brake and turn the star adjuster all the way down. Some times it helps to disconnect the hand brake cable. Get ready for one god awful mess when that drum comes off. You should plan on replacing the wheel cylinder, shoes, wheel bearing, backing plate gaskets (2)and axle seal. Check the seal surface on the axle it may be rusted or pitted and this will cause the new seal to leak. Inspect the differential ventilation system (at the rubber line). If it is clogged your new seal will leak and you get to do this all over again. While your in there pull and inspect the bearing on the other side and replace that seal also. New shoes for both sides of the truck and don't forget to have the shop turn the drums. You can buy all new springs and automatic adjusters and you should. Invest a few bucks in a brake spring tool, this will save your hands and prevent you from damaging the new springs. A brake spoon is also a good idea, just not essential.
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[font size="1" color="#FF0000"]LAST EDITED ON 30-Apr-01 AT 01:13 PM (EST)[/font][p]I knew I forgot the details. It's a 9' 31 spline. I realize the mess Im in for once that thing comes off, IF it comes off. We disconnected the hand brake & the shoes were adjusted all the way. He beat the hell outa that drum& no luck. Any encouraging words? Incidently this is a 1972 F-100 4X4 (longbed, yeah)that they will end up burying me in whether its finished or not cuz Im into it so much ($)
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I just ripped apart my rear end a couple weekends ago, and I had the same problem. The only suggestion I have is to back off the star adjuster. And continue to beat the ##### out of the drum.
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I had the same problem when I last did my rear brakes. Back the adjusting star off untill it's loose. Try using some penetrating at the stud holes on the drum. Give it plenty over a few hours and give it a good whack. I've also read using oil of wintergreen. A little grease on those mating surfaces and a hubcap will work wonders for next time.
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ok guys, im sure this poor man is getting tired of being told to "back off the adjusting star". he already told us he backed the shoes off all the way so thats not the problem. the problem is that it has likely not budged in many years and its just gonna take some brute force to take off. i had the same problem with my 9 inch when i tore into it awhile back, i ended up getting two large pry bars, and sliding them in from behind on opposite sides of the drum and prying with them simultaneously.i just worked my way around prying the crap out of it and it eventually came off. it was by no means easy though, just getting that one drum off was a at least a 4 hour job. hmmmm...words of encouragement? well you WILL get it off. also, next time you have to take it off it will be so much easier (just changed the shoes last week and it slid off in about 45 seconds). good luck
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[font size="1" color="#FF0000"]LAST EDITED ON 01-May-01 AT 03:01 AM (EST)[/font][p]I'm not sure about the rear, but I had a hell of a time getting the front ones off the hub, and I finally (after posting here and not getting the same info you're getting, I went to a junkyard trying to get a new hub and the guy informed me on what was happening) found out that the wheel studs are (I forget the term) squashed into the holes from the front side, making it impossible to remove the drum without beating the studs out first, or using this special tool the guy used in a drill to grind off the shoulder on the stud. Anyone got any experience, and know whether or not they do that squashing thing on the rears? You can tell if they're squashed by looking at the studs where they pass through the drum. If there are four squashed marks from the outside where they pinched the edges of the shoulder out, you'll have to beat the studs out in order to remove the drum. Wait for a response from someone, because I'm not sure if this applies to rears.
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Anymore if the shoes our holding them on I just break or grind off the head of the J hook and replace them for a dollar, then pull off shoes and everything at once or if I can see the the inside of the drum and it has a deep groove from the shoes I just hit with big hammer till drum shatters because 99 out of a hundred they cannot be turn anyway.
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I think you're past this point, but for what its worth - sometimes the drum rusts tight to the axle hub in the center. A little heat on the face of the drum, even from a propane torch, penetrating oil and a couple sharp hits with a hammer will usually jar it loose.
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>ok guys, im sure this poor
>man is getting tired of
>being told to "back off
>the adjusting star". he already
>told us he backed the
>shoes off all the way
>so thats not the problem.
>the problem is that it
>has likely not budged in
>many years and its just
>gonna take some brute force
>to take off. i had
>the same problem with my
>9 inch when i tore
>into it awhile back, i
>ended up getting two large
>pry bars, and sliding them
>in from behind on opposite
>sides of the drum and
>prying with them simultaneously.i just
>worked my way around prying
>the crap out of it
>and it eventually came off.
>it was by no means
>easy though, just getting that
>one drum off was a
>at least a 4 hour
>job. hmmmm...words of encouragement? well
>you WILL get it off.
>also, next time you have
>to take it off it
>will be so much easier
>(just changed the shoes last
>week and it slid off
>in about 45 seconds). good
>luck
Thanx for the advice but no Im not a guy Im a girlie, thus the incompetence lol. Secondly the drums have been off within the last few months. Ill try the heat thing & let ya know.
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>man is getting tired of
>being told to "back off
>the adjusting star". he already
>told us he backed the
>shoes off all the way
>so thats not the problem.
>the problem is that it
>has likely not budged in
>many years and its just
>gonna take some brute force
>to take off. i had
>the same problem with my
>9 inch when i tore
>into it awhile back, i
>ended up getting two large
>pry bars, and sliding them
>in from behind on opposite
>sides of the drum and
>prying with them simultaneously.i just
>worked my way around prying
>the crap out of it
>and it eventually came off.
>it was by no means
>easy though, just getting that
>one drum off was a
>at least a 4 hour
>job. hmmmm...words of encouragement? well
>you WILL get it off.
>also, next time you have
>to take it off it
>will be so much easier
>(just changed the shoes last
>week and it slid off
>in about 45 seconds). good
>luck
Thanx for the advice but no Im not a guy Im a girlie, thus the incompetence lol. Secondly the drums have been off within the last few months. Ill try the heat thing & let ya know.
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jil, if the drums have been off recently they shouldn't be rusted stuck. IMHO, Once the shoes are loosened the drums should pop off. Are you SURE the brakes are completely backed off?
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Jilybean, I agree if the drums have been off recently they're not likely rusted tight. The brake shoes rub a groove into the drum from natural braking action. Results in a ridge on the back edge of the drum and the shoes get hung up there when you're trying to pull the drums.
Here's what I do... after backing the shoes off, get a couple of large screwdrivers/pry bars and pry opposite sides of the drum at the same time while tapping the outer edge of the drum. You only need three hands to do this
(Then the more frustrated I get, the harder I hit it - lol) You might bend the backing plate, but that will straighten later. You might break the drum, but they sell replacements.
If anything has broken that lets a shoe or other parts move inside the drum, backing the shoes off may not help. A spray can of brake cleaner will help clean up the mess from the wheel cylinder. Be careful not to breathe the dust from the brakes.
And its not incompetence - just inexperience and you're well on your way to solving that. That's why we're all here - someone else knows something we don't... Good luck!
mtflat
Here's what I do... after backing the shoes off, get a couple of large screwdrivers/pry bars and pry opposite sides of the drum at the same time while tapping the outer edge of the drum. You only need three hands to do this
(Then the more frustrated I get, the harder I hit it - lol) You might bend the backing plate, but that will straighten later. You might break the drum, but they sell replacements.If anything has broken that lets a shoe or other parts move inside the drum, backing the shoes off may not help. A spray can of brake cleaner will help clean up the mess from the wheel cylinder. Be careful not to breathe the dust from the brakes.
And its not incompetence - just inexperience and you're well on your way to solving that. That's why we're all here - someone else knows something we don't... Good luck!
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[font size="1" color="#FF0000"]LAST EDITED ON 03-May-01 AT 04:18 PM (EST)[/font][p]Well after reading all this about the stuck drum it reminds me of the time I turned the adjuster star the wrong way and then forced the drum off. If you can't turn the drum with your hands then I'd say you've turned the adjuster the wrong way.If the adjuster was turned the proper way and pounding around with a hammer does'nt work then try stepping on the brakes with the adjuster loose to reposition the shoes. I have'nt had any stuck on the wheel studs but have had some stuck on the center of the axle, just clean it up with a file or sandpaper and apply some penetrant.
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