I know this sounds crazy, but when is enough, enough? My main concern about this new motor is; Ford is cranking so much HP and torque out of the motor that the life of the motor has to decrease by a lot. Who really has a trailer that the 7.3 or the 6.0 cannot pull? Is it all just a marketing plan for us to buy another truck from them, since all are trucks are going to be inadequate the moment the ad's on TV begin to run.<O</O

Someone on an outdoor sports forum posted "Now that every gun manufacture is making bigger calibers and faster more powerful bullets, I assume that killing a Deer with my 30-06 is only going to make him half dead. Now that my 30-06 is so obsolete" <O></O>

When will ford come out with another motor like the 7.3 that will have plenty of power and last a long time? Not all of us can afford to buy a new truck every time Ford, Dodge, or Chevy want to change their marketing strategy. Enough is enough. <O></O>

Martin350

 

i think there is a thread called "enough is enough" . but there will become a point in time. not more than 10 years ago diesel trucks were 170 hp and 380 ft pounds torque.

 

There is never enough when it comes to power. Everyone assumes that the more power you put out the lower the longevity of a engine has to be. This is not true at all. Things like regular maintenace, not abusing an engine are much more important. Making more power in many ways is a result of making an engine more effecient.

 

That is absolutely correct tmyers. While more power can be added by turbo charging (or twin turboing), increasing injector pulse width, and increasing displacement, the quickest and easiest way for a manufacturer to make more power is to make an engine more efficient. This is part of why diesel engines generally last longer than gas engines, and why they can make more power from the same displacement. The fuel has more potential energy. The more fuel the engine can completely burn per combustion event, the more power that engine will make.

 

You both are correct, but is Ford, Chevy, and Dodge starting with the right foundation to get these type of numbers? Crank to much horse power out of any motor and it will fail sooner than later. Is it all just to stay on the top of the power list? Almost all auto companies are not staying with things that work. Example: The 7.3L seems to be the most reliable diesel ford has used. (Not saying it goes with out any problems) but my opinion is that they should have stayed with that platform and built on that. The 6.0’s have been a nightmare for more people than it should have been, and again something new is coming out. When will it end? I know you can’t stop technology but give us something that is going to be reliable. <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-comfficeffice" /><o></o>

Maybe this new motor will be great. Maybe it will be bad. Who knows, I just know all the indecision of which motor to use and stay with is getting confusing and a bit aggravating. <o></o>

 

Hasnt the cummins motor evolved getting more HP's and be reliable ??
The gas engines now are smaller and put out more HP than ever, they are also more dependable than ever. If the 6.4 is done right it will be as reliable as the 7.3 and also be a ANIMAL..

 

The reason they didnt stay with the 7.3 is they would not be able to make it pass emission requirements.

 

LOL. There are font sizes larger than that. Are you trying to make a point with your font size? Smaller font gets message gets across the same as big font? (it won't let me post smileys????)

Seriously though, the manufacturers are pushing the factory stock limits, and that is good. Like Terry said, we end up with more efficient engines, that can handle more power, and still acheive the same life expectancy.

 

in all reality the recent increase in hp has been driven by the market, but who am i to argue with more power. i look foward to the day that we will be able to get 700 or 800 hp from a stock factory diesel. it can be done and there is a company that already has an engine out that is that powerful, in a 6l package i might add.

 

The obsession with HP is very ingrained in American culture. Do most people really need an 800hp truck? The answer to that question is NO! But when have people been content with getting just what they need? It’s about want not need. If a number of people can state a legitimate reason why they need an 800hp light duty diesel truck I’ll retract this statement. This however is the market (the gear heads) that the manufactures are targeting again with the new diesel trucks. Trucks are no longer thought of as just for work anymore. Many people use them as they daily drivers, grocery getters and usually trade every 4 to 5 years. I’m sort of glad to see Ford following this trend. The trucks coming out now ride better and handle better than trucks just 8 years ago. I just hope that the truck doesn’t loose it dependability and durability in the manufactures quest to try to satisfy this one part of the market.

 

Give me a reliable I4 or I6 deisel with 200+- HP and i will have all i will ever need. Enough of this overkill, it only empties your wallet.

 

Enough is never Enough, if you don't want a 700-800 ftlb Diesel engine, or don't want to pay for one then don't! Buy a V10, or a 5.4, or if you needs are less yet then get a F150 with a 4.6 or a Ranger. This is why we have so many choices, if you are able to with stand the urge of "want" then just buy what you need, I'm sure there is a vehicle that fits your need. For me when I finished school I made sure, even though at the time I had nothing to tow, to get a V10 powered Superduty, nothing else would sufice. Turns out within a year that 50% of the miles I put on my truck are towing and atleast 25% of those are towing things that would be to much for a F150. Ex, when I tow my camper and boat a toegether I tip the scales at almost 17K lbs GCWR, I know the F150 is rated for 10k lbs but is it really safe or economical? probably not! Did I need a boat, camper, 3 vehicles, a home 30 miles from the nearest city, a 30x40 shop, an attachted garage?? NO I DIDN"T NEED ANY FO THIS STUFF!! Often times a want causes a need, of all the stuff I listed, everyone began as a want. I bought a house out in the middle of nowhere because my wife WANTED to work at a different hospital, she had a job in the city but didn't like it, she WANTED a beter job. That caused us the need for a home some where inbetween where I work and where she works. Did I need a big truck, no but I wanted a boat and camper which forced me to look at a proper tow vehicle, I didn't need two late model cars but since my wife wanted a different job, we bought a place in the middle of no where, which then we needed reliable vehicles (being broke down in -30*F temps could be life threatening) and my truck was not a effeicent vehicle for commuting 80 miles per day. Since we are both on the road all the time we need cell phones in case of an emergency ect ect ect ect.

The whole point is we as americans have the option to live by what and how we WANT to live, not how we need to live, if we all lived by need we would be like some indian tribe in africa that basically eats, sleeps, and gathers food!! Everything we have is a want and very little is a need. Just about everything I have or do is dictated by a want (which usually causes a need) and has nothiing to do with me needing it as a nessessity to live. I'm guessing there isn't a single person that will read this that actually lives by need and not want, other wise you wouldn't have a computer to type on and wouldn't have internet and would have no reason to be on FTE!

Just be glad we have the choices we have and have the option to own a 800ftlb torque pickup, if you don't want it don't buy it, find the best option that fits between your needs and wants.

 

Wants and needs are very simular sometimes. Othertimes they are very different.

What I want is a more reliable diesel motor, I want it to be tested thoroughly, I want these test be close to error free when they release the product, I want it to be reliable (just not the motor itself but all the other equipment that goes with it).

I need nothing, I could gather cattle on foot, I could bring feed by foot, I could move equipment by hand, I guess I don't even need shoe's.

It's about a quality of life and a quality of a product that people spend hard earned money on.
Martin

 

Thank you SLE I couldnt have said it better, dont tell ford not to build something because you think its overkill, if you dont want it dont buy it, buy a 6 cyl toyota pickup. If nobody wants or needs these trucks they wont sell any and they will stop making them. I would much rather have more HP and torque than I need and go easy on the truck then be pushing the trucks limits when towing, nice to pull up large steep hills without losing speed and dropping out of overdive.. I definately want one of these ..

 

I never said for ford not to build anything new. I said for Ford, Chevy, and Dodge to do it right if the are going to continue to change items over and over.
How do we know if the motor isn't already at the limits or past the limits from the factory? Do you think they would give it HP and torque numbers and not test it thoroughly before the release? Yes.
Maybe I didn't make my self clear. I'm not oposed to new things, I just want the new things to work.