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Old Feb 13, 2006 | 12:31 PM
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The timing in a I-6 and a V-8 are not any different so the way a I-6 delivers the power to the crank is not any different to a V-8.

Some people try to justify the Cummins with "Big Rigs use an I-6" well I haven't seen any pick-ups with a 9 or 15 speed in them yet.
 

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Old Feb 13, 2006 | 02:29 PM
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One poster noted how expensive it would be to offer a bunch of power choices in one vehicle line, but that was assuming different engines...

Why not have a power switch on the dash? Kinda' like the Diablo option I remember when I was looking at chips for my 7.3 PSD, it had various power levels to choose from. So you could have a switch position/tune for Economy, Towing, and Race (this would be the level all the marketing types would use for the ad "wars"). Cost for this? $100 bucks for mass production??!

I'd buy that in a New York Second...
 
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Old Feb 13, 2006 | 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by NickFordMan
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The 7.3L is a V8 design...and it's a supposedly "fake" diesel according to you. Interesting how your opinion changes in your exact same post.

And the angle at which the piston is to the ground when it fires has nothing to do with the angle it's at when at TDC.
O, and Dagpar (mhannick, uuranium, etc)...you're not fooling anyone.
are trying to say that i'm mhannic and uuranium?

I never said the 7.3 was fake, but they designed that motor to run at lower rpms. my comment was for the 6.4 or 6.0 liter. the 6.0 is revved higher than the 7.3. there is no need to make a diesel run at 4 or 5k rpms. that's not what diesels were ever designed for, that's what GAS motors do.
 
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Old Feb 13, 2006 | 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted by dapgar
are trying to say that i'm mhannic and uuranium?

I never said the 7.3 was fake, but they designed that motor to run at lower rpms. my comment was for the 6.4 or 6.0 liter. the 6.0 is revved higher than the 7.3. there is no need to make a diesel run at 4 or 5k rpms. that's not what diesels were ever designed for, that's what GAS motors do.
I haven't seen a stock 6.0 turn 4 or 5k rpm.
 
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Old Feb 13, 2006 | 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Brian460
Some people try to justify the Cummins with "Big Rigs use an I-6" well I haven't seen any pick-ups with a 9 or 15 speed in them yet.
Actually if you add a Gear Vendors overdrive to a pickup with a 5 speed you would effectively have a 10 speed, or you could add it to a 6 speed model and have 12 speeds. And yes, people have done that already.

Show me a factory pickup with some type of splitter or two speed rearend and I'll buy it. Nothing better than more gears to keep the engine in the power band!
 
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Old Feb 13, 2006 | 05:08 PM
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I already know that but, it is not stock.
 
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Old Feb 13, 2006 | 05:50 PM
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Originally Posted by dapgar
there is no need to make a diesel run at 4 or 5k rpms. that's not what diesels were ever designed for, that's what GAS motors do.
Remember this is your opinion...
When they create a diesel engine that can rev to 7k, I will be at the front of the que lining up for one.

There is nothing wrong with reving an engine providing it is designed for it. I have a Ford Kent engine in my 1963 Mini Cooper. It rarely sees anything less than 5000rpms, and will go up as high as 8500... It hasn't been rebuilt for 105k miles (it had 76k miles on the engine before I got it).
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Nothing better than more gears to keep the engine in the power band!
Or create a broad enough powerband to start of with.
 
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Old Feb 14, 2006 | 05:57 PM
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I can sympathize with the "enough is enough" crowd. I see it in motorcycles - there are factory stock bikes putting out over 160hp (and one 6-cylinder pre-production one that looks to be about 200hp), at least one that has over 140 lb-ft of torque. And, each year they get faster. When I first started riding, a 65 hp motorcycle was considered too powerful for an untrained rider, regardless of experience - today, a 65hp bike is considered to be a beginner's bike.

The same thing is happening with diesel trucks. Where will it end? I don't know. I won't be involved. I will casually observe, but have no desire to keep up. I will stand off to the side with my trusty, slightly modded 7.3 and be amazed. Just as I stand in awe of the new motorcycles while comfortably aboard my trusty, slightly modded, old air-cooled BMW motorcycle with its pathetic-by-modern-standards 78hp.

Let them do what they will. I'll be entertained just observing. I have no desire to pit my bank account against the whirlwind of change. My bank account would be swept away - maybe that is why I latch onto a vehicle I like, mod it the way I want, then just keep it forever. Sure, the mods cost money, but nothing like trying to buy a new truck every couple of years to keep up with the new technology.

My Toyota had 370k miles on it when some clown totaled it for me. My BMW is almost 20 years old, and I have no desire to replace it (just had the heads gone through, including a little flow-bench time to smooth out some rough edges). My 7.3 - well, I've only had that about 18 months. But I plan to keep it for quite a while.
 
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Old Feb 15, 2006 | 01:51 AM
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I too can sympathise.
I am currently looking for an early 80's K100RS - I have found a lot of the newer bikes just stupidly powerful for my needs.
I also would walk past a 300hp+ Subaru WRX or Mitsubishi EVO and go for a 90hp Ford Escort, Rear engined Skoda or 2-stroke SAAB for rallying, they are WAY more fun.

However, in my scenario I used to tow a 10k lb trailer at around 80-90mph, which the 7.3l I had would do fine, BUT it had to be at WOT to do so AND when I came across a road train (I am talking about trucks that are 300-350ft long) and I need to overtake (they usually sit at 75-80mph), it would be nice to be able to flex my right foot and accelerate.
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Instead, I had to sit on the worng side of the road for minutes on end to pass - which can be quite hair-raising in areas where a Porsche Turbo can be heading at you at 200mph (no speed limits).

I don't want to have to buy aftermarket products to make it go like I want it too.
I have brought up in a world where diesels were slow, smoky and antique contraptions. It is GREAT that they now have comparable (or better) performance than thier petrol brethren.
 
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